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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    she say


     
  2. daemon

    daemon Well-Known Member

    But none of that is any different from what a lot of politicians have done. That is who she is. Everything that you've cited is either her pursuing what her agenda, or the media amplifying her message. Show me a politician who would turn down a 60 Minutes interview. "She's fronting a massive progressive overhaul of American" -- I repeat, she is one person. You can find any of a number of Republicans with equally transgressive beliefs. The only two differences is that she is young, attractive and spunky, and, moreso, that the left does not have a propaganda giant whose programming marches in lockstep with its campaign strategy.

    There are two different issues here - one, you think her agenda is counterproductively radical and unconstructive. I agree with this. Two, she has become, according to you, the "Face of the democratic party." You still haven't explained what to do about the second issue, other than her disappearing. It's a similar dynamic to what the Republicans had with Trump back when he was just a sideshow. In hindsight, maybe the Dems should have trained a singular focus on Trump in 2012-15 and tweeted about him nonstop and made him the face of the GOP. Like him, she is largely a media creation. She's just preaching her message. Everybody else is amplifying it.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    what was actually in that bill?
     
  4. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Shouldn't this be in the Bike People are the Worst thread?
     
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  5. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    And a Gemini also born in NYC.
     
  6. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

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  7. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Until last week, my retiree friends thought The Squad was the guys who bring the ambulance when you overdose on sweet tea and barbecue.
     
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  8. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

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  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  10. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    She's the face of the Green New Deal, is the point. And willingly so.

    Further, no, not a lot of politicians have chiefs of staff comparing members of their own party to segregationists.

    I think some of her mistakes are the precisely the kind young, idealistic people make. At one shop I worked, there was the new writer who had an opinion on just about everyone's beat and wanted to write what that person deemed to be the "best" story on every one of them. Because the person was talented, the boss acquiesced a little bit too much, and while some good stories came of it, chemistry did not.

    And one reason she's courted by the media is because a lot of the more established media members - who, in general, are very liberal - agree with her, and agree with the rigid certitude she uses to communicate her ideas.
     
  11. Starman

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  12. daemon

    daemon Well-Known Member

    I think you might reconsider your first statement if you went back and looked at some of the shit that came out of the mouths of some of the more conservative members of congress during the formative years of the Tea Party. And, to your point, the Tea Party did become the face of the GOP for awhile, but first it had to assemble itself into an actual faction with voting power. AOC and her "squad" haven't had any success with the candidates they've backed. Mostly because their ideas are so far out of touch with the Democratic mainstream. You're correct in that their views align somewhat with the views of the Journalist 2.0/Twitter slacktivist demographic, but the reason why she is courted by the mainstream media is that she is an undeniably compelling character: a former bartender who came from out of nowhere to grit her way to an election victory over a popular incumbent, and who also happens to cut a commanding presence on television, both in her appearance and her actions/rhetoric.

    Like I said, I get where you are coming from, but you still haven't really said what the solution is other than AOC to stop being herself, which, again, would have been like asking Ron Paul to stop being Ron Paul back in the day. What she is doing is exploiting a vacuum that has existed in the Democratic party since 2012, a void that should be filled with a strong message about some sort of actionable platform.
     
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