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linch the immolumints claws

 

I was trying to be as charitable as possible, given the point I was trying to make, and crediting Dems with Obama's decision to stop defending DOMA, which I believe led to the Supreme Court decision. Off the top of my head, that and ObamaCare are the only two ways in which Dems have impeded the implementation of the conservative agenda dating back to W.

 

Fair enough. Make it three out of five then.

 

Shocking that it is not an issue that this president only speaks, in public, to Americans that agree with him. And even then you need tickets to get in. It has been one of the few surprises to me.

 

I think there's some truth in that. I also think a big factor is that the GOP is playing a different game than the Dems are. It's revisionist history to suggest that the Obama years featured a hard left, "woke" platform on the part of the Dems. The GOP simply acted as if that was the case, and it had the messaging infrastructure and discipline to keep its base sufficiently enraged.

Obama went out of his way to attempt to fix the economy and the health care system and conduct foreign policy in manner that could have been palatable to the center-right. He went out of his way to avoid the appearance of crusading on social issues. Yet and still, a bailout that was orchestrated by a GOP president and a health care solution that originated with a GOP governor became evidence of a radical socialist overhaul of the nation. Trayvon Martin, the Beer Summit and Sandy Hook somehow became conservative rallying cries. All of these thing were little more than a POTUS being a POTUS in as bipartisan a manner as one possibly can while still considering himself a Democrat by any definition of the party going back to JFK.

A lot of what you are seeing from the Dems now is a reaction to that GOP resistance. Obama had the popularity and personality to keep the far left marginalized on everything from the economy to health care to immigration. And then he left office and the far left looked at what he accomplished and saw Trump elected decided, well, fuck that, let's at least go down fighting the same kind of battle that the other side is.

It's unfortunate. It really is. That's where I agree with you. AOC's vision of an ideal society is just as troubling to me as Rand Paul's. Politically, I think social justice extremists will prove to be just as alienating to independents as evangelical christians have been. Where I disagree with you is the suggestion that the dogma of the far Secular Left is any more prevalent than the dogma of the far Christian Right. You just happen to believe in the same God that the far Right does, which makes that rhetoric seem a lot more "normal" to you.

 

An Original Candle

 

Gasps and sighs. Was there any pearl-clutching?

I kid. I read last week a story about Taylor by a former West Point classmate, about how he was brilliant and fearless and his fellow grads expected him to rise to become Army Chief of Staff -- until he resigned his commission in disillusionment after serving in Vietnam. I can't remember the author's name -- think the story was on Politico or The Daily Beast; I'll find and post -- but he basically said that Taylor should be the one person Trump fears most because he won't be cowed.

EDIT: Sorry, @TigerVols, it was Salon.

We're going to impeach his sorry ass — thanks to the pros

 

If this was actually said then it is devastating testimony. I will say it again...there will be enough Republicans on board to remove Fatfuck from office. The damning evidence keeps coming on an almost daily basis. Romney will give some cover for a few more to start criticizing him and eventually anyone with a legit future will reluctantly jump on board. At least I hope I am right.