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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    I suspect the actual wording was a little different. But whatever.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    1) Again, at the same time, the evidence about masks on the general public containing spread wasn't there yet. But there was something to lose. ... people hoarding masks, particularly N95s, and hospitals having an even WORSE time than they were getting protective equipment for their personnel. There was a shortage of commercially made masks.

    2) Once again, you are deeming something nonsense that scientifically at the time was unknown. You do this a lot on here. You muddle things, misrepresent where we were at a point in time and play Monday Morning QB off of it. When they were saying that you wearing a mask protected OTHERS, it was because that was what a handful of studies were demonstrating with a decent amount of certainty. How effective masks were in protecting the wearer was not as clear.
     
  3. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    The only N95s I've seen are the ones one of our photographers left for us at the office six months ago. Never see 'em in the mask bins at stores, and never see anyone else wearing them. The people masking in my stores by and large are not wearing hospital-grade stuff and never have been.

    And there's this . . . if people are hoarding masks and masking up, perhaps the hospitals would have had fewer patients, and the medical personnel wouldn't be in such dire straits. What a concept. Instead, it's "leave the people unprotected, so when they get sick the hospital workers caring for them will be protected." Assbackwards, IMO.
     
  4. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    An expert makes recommendations based on the fact in front of them at the time. Trump amplifies something a filtration supply company CEO told him in the men’s locker room at Mar-a-Lago which fits with his worldview that this virus wasn’t a big deal.
     
  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    but what did epidemiologists like the My Pillow guy recommend?
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You are the most ridiculous Monday Morning QB ever. It's not even like you find actual things we could have done better.

    In March, the virus was still a relative abstraction to 99 percent of the country. But there were healthcare workers in NY and NJ getting very sick. In actual hindsight today, we know that from March to May something like 2/3 of the people ending up hospitalized from Covid were people who had had contact with patients. More than a third were nurses.
     
  7. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

  8. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

    So, given he wants to save the country for his grandkids, I guess that means we can count on his support for all climate change initiatives. Right? .............. Right?

    hello?
     
  9. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    The experts provide the information so we can quit saying “we don’t know enough.”

    You know this. But playing board contrarian requires you to dismiss people who’ve devoted their entire lives to studying epidemics because they tried to help in the early days of a new disease and weren’t 100-percent correct.
     
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  10. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    Those who say masks protect others more than the wearer seem ignore the fact that, for decades, surgeons and other operating room personnel have been wearing masks to keep from getting chirrhosis of the liver, tonsillitis or a hernia.
     
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  11. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    "Expertise" doesn't mean "never draws the wrong conclusions when faced with new circumstances."
     
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  12. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Interesting discussion re: deference due to expertise. Such was in abundance a few weeks ago when the CDC immunization advisory committee drew on its substantial epidemiology and public health expertise ... and built its recommendations around the addressing of racial and economic inequity. Woulda meant, possibly, 6% more deaths, but hey, they're experts!
     
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