President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

PLEASE let the Secret Service see this. Please.

 

All due respect, you - and many others - don't seem to understand this isn't about Trump.

The divide in this country is vast and deep. Trump is merely a symptom of the problems. This isn't about a cult of personality, but an age of willful ignorance and arrogance borne out of a repeated repudiation of science and basic facts. As I type this, elected officials are trying to reject Pennsylvania's electoral votes because of legislature written into law and voted on by Republican state legislators, a fact that has routinely been ignored during this farce.

Trump is a boil on the surface of a wound that has festered for decades. His removal will only expose the wide, rotting chasm beneath.

No, Sam, this will not end in a hurry. Not with the invocation of the 25th, not with Biden's inauguration on Jan. 20. This is a wound will take years - perhaps decades - to truly heal.

 

Agreed, which is why "coming together as a nation" must be accompanied by "punishing seditious criminals to the fullest extent of the law." One won't happen without the other.

 

TDS!!!!

 

McConnell not wasting any time. On to the House

 

Although most of the genocide was done before we formally became a country, Manifest Destiny killed a few million natives.

Somewhere between 5 and 10 million people were enslaved for some or all of their lives in US territory.

We had to have a civil war to end that slavery, in which 670,000 people died.

An estimated 5,000 people were lynched between the end of slavery and the civil rights movement.

Between the Civil War and WWI, we got in on all that colonizin' that was all the rage and killed a whole lot of people, mostly in the Phillipines. The number is disputed, but it was at least a few hundred thousand and probably millions.

We are the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons in combat, and in the process we killed approximately 200,000 civilians.

Post WWII, the U.S. waged a broad campaign of subsidizing, training and propping up bloodthirsty dictators all over the globe so long as they were anti-communist, resulting in 10s of millions of deaths.

Several hundred thousand Iraqi civilians have died since we started a war there for no entirely clear reason.

And we won't even get into how many more are killed in conflicts that we don't directly participate in but are directed by American arms manufacturing.

Make no mistake, fomenting violence and killing people is *what American does*. It's in our cultural DNA. We just don't like it when it might be white Americans taking the hit. If creating violence means we've failed as a country, we've always failed and will probably always be failing.

 

Senate rejects Pennsylvania objection 92-7.

Among the 7, notorious Medicare fraud ringleader Rick Scott.

 

Five of the seven objectors to Pennsylvania are from SECessionist states. None of the seven was from Pennsylvania. SEC Values.

 

This won't end in a hurry. Didn't suddenly emerge, and won't suddenly go away.

But please read again ... what needs to change in a hurry is a willingness to quickly get in gear. We can't make the wheels of government accelerate to warp speed, but we can move to impeach, we can do more than banter about the idea of invoking the 25th Amendment.

Prosecuting Trump will not make this all go away, but to not do anything just because "this isn't about Trump" is a gross mistake. And just because this isn't all about him - on which I agree with your greater point - letting him stay in power and act as if keeping him in place will somehow make everything better is insane.

 

So we should do absolutely nothing because that's the path of least resistance. Got it.

 

In summary - in addition to what I posted above - lance the boil (i.e., remove Trump from power and prosecute him) and treat the wound (which will take time). Until that does, the wound will never heal.

 

Oh, I'm sure the prosecutors will be busy. And it's not like there weren't hundreds of cameras seen and unseen and probably a good database of things like hotel reservations and plane tickets. Quite a few people from the George Floyd riots have been identified in this manner, many of them white and from nowhere near the Twin Cities.