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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Trump lacks key players for meeting with Chinese leader

    "The basic problem is that Donald Trump doesn’t have any experience with the Chinese and his State Department itself doesn’t either,” said Adelman, who said that in addition to the marquee players, “They are missing a whole lot of lesser people.”
     
  2. cisforkoke

    cisforkoke Well-Known Member

    Because Republicans did it first. That's what was accomplished.
     
  3. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Republicans holding House for the foreseeable future is an assertion without evidence. Dave Weigel of the Washington Post just canvassed Republican Senators and found much reluctance to end legislative filibuster on the rational grounds that the party dedicated to limiting government (in some ways) needs more ways of blocking bills than the Democrats do. As I've said before the legislative filibuster protects the majority as well as the minority. It allows Senators to vote for legislation their base supports but which the general electorate does not without any danger of the bill passing and generating voter backlash. Cap and trade was a good example of this in 2009, as is Obamacare replacement today.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    1) The democrats opened this barn door in 2013 -- the whole "nuclear option" thing. Now they regret it?
    2) I don't see why this is a bad thing, actually. Take away dumb, blind partinsanship and what do you have? The president nominates executive and judicial nominees. Fillibustering them is lame and passive aggressive. Vote yay or nay, but there should be a vote. Before anyone brings up Merrick Garland, I believed the Senate should have had hearings and a vote. What they did was lame and chickenshit. He was nominated by a lame duck president and they had a majority. They should have had a vote and rejected his nomination. Instead they took the passive, chickenshit way out.
     
  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    I agree with Ragu's analysis, but the fighting over judicial filibusters began long before 2013. Remember the Gang of 14 compromise? Bill Frist threatened to abolish it in 2005.
     
  6. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I don't think the American public is going to be all that upset that we now have a system where a Supreme Court nominee has to pass 51-49 instead of 61-39.
     
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Of course not. The Senate can confirm them any way they want. For most of our history, I believe, they did voice votes without an official count.
     
  8. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    But does the Chinese food at Trump Tower compare to the taco bowl? That's all he needs, amirite?
     
  9. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  10. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    I'd be fine with this.
     
  11. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Orrin Hatch told Dave Weigel that if the legislative filibuster ended, if Democrats had control of White House and all of Congress. "We'd become a socialist country and never look back." So it's not going away anytime soon.
     
  12. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    If Republicans really want to do something, it won't matter how nice the Democrats are around the office.
     
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