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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Uncoupling employment from insurance should be a priority. That's the whole reason "preexisting conditions" are a thing.

    That, and because, while an insurer might not be able to drop you, they can just drop the plan.

    That's what happened to us.

    So, our old insurance company is off the hook for our bills.

    We're paying a ton for our new, individual plan, but they're getting screwed. We're going to pay in tens of thousands of dollars, but they're going to pay out hundreds of thousands.
     
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  2. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

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  4. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Re-read that sentence: In essence, it means there is no such thing as "health insurance" anymore. For anybody.

    And please note, the story is from the Trump-slurping WSJ.
     
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  5. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    House GOP ready to party.

     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    As a healthy 45-year old man, let's say you let your health insurance lapse or couldn't afford it anymore or stopped covering yourself for any variety of reasons. ... and found out you have cancer. The expectation that you could just start paying premiums again and an "insurance pool" would cover the cost of it is an absurd expectation. UNLESS you consider your subsidization of the cost of your care an entitlement of some sort. And again, then we aren't having an INSURANCE conversation. That is just NOT how insurance works. Insurance covers relatively low-probability events by spreading out the costs across a pool of people who want to insure themselves. The notion that you can insure people AFTER the insurable event occurs,. ... and worse, given the conversations we have in this country, somehow make it cost less than it actually does by spreading it across a pool of people, while not driving up premiums on everyone, is mind boggling It's the fuzziest kind of math possible and it has created a predictable mess.

    You turn those "low probability" events into "certain" events. ... anyone who needs medical care just steps right in AFTER the event and its covered.
    . ... On top of it, unless you compel people to subsidize others whether they want to or not, you not only took it out of the realm of insurance by making it into an entitlement, you are forcing the people who make insuring themselves a priority to bear all of the cost for those who didn't.

    Same thing with your car insurance by the way. Yes, you pay premiums to insure a relatively low risk event that could potentially be very costly. That is insurance in a nutshell. If you suggested to me that you should be able to not carry car insurance, then have an accident, and buy a policy after the fact to cover the accident, but don't worry, the cost will be spread over "an insurance pool," I'd have the same conversation. Insurance can't work that way.
     
  7. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    People who don't even know what a depression really is want to get pedantic about the definition of insurance. Beautiful.
     
  8. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Swear to god, a politician of either party who wrote and got passed a No-Call List law with teeth could get re-elected till he died.
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    This is "cases upon cases" of beer?

    I bought more for a one-year-old's birthday party.

    I don't think that's going to go very far.

     
  10. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    Trumpcare gets rammed through the House. Enjoy your Pyrrhic victory.
     
  11. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I agree with most of that.

    But we have a big problem with people who can't get insurance and thus can't get care.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    But, hey, the original tweet has already been re-tweeted 1,300 times.
     
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