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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Is this plagiarized?
     
  2. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Remember the Club for Growth guy telling Republican congressmen that it isn't a party of economic conservatism anymore? Gonna be interesting to find out if there are many economic conservative true believers who fight back.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Of course, you need to buy some partisan's bullshit to really delude yourself into that line of thinking.

    Anyone given the power to indebt the country to the tune of billions of dollars - and spend it however they want can turn around and call themselves the Jesus of jobs.

    I suppose some people will buy the BS without considering how many jobs and how much economic growth that kind of misallocation of capital ACTUALLY cost us. There is an opportunity cost to it. At the extreme, you could pay people to dig holes with spoons all day long and then pay them some more to fill them. And you can put yourself in debt doing it. It's not good for the long-term health of your economy, all the jobs you "created" notwithstanding.

    Putting your country in debt, and allowing politicians to hand the money raised to THEIR hand chosen interests -- rather than demand driven enterprises -- is how you destroy your economic health. From the Soviet command economy to Greece today, it's the kind of bullshit that felt and sounded good at a point in time. ... and which they ended up paying for and then some.
     
  4. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  5. heyabbott

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  6. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    People act like the cost of their insurance did not go up with every open enrollment before the ACA was passed.
     
  7. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Not to the degree it has gone up on the back of the mess they stuck us with. People have seen steep rises in their premiums. ... to go along with less choice, incredibly high deductibles killing people, and plans that are controlling costs with crummy networks of providers that have not allowed people to "keep your doctor." My experience, via a small business has been a nightmare. My long-time insurer left the market because it destroyed their ability to offer plans that made sense, and I am left to choose between relatively crappy plans with horrible networks of providers, and I have to balance how high a deductible I can take, if I want to be able to afford the premiums. Even with that, I am paying way more and getting way less. Which isn't a surprise. People like me are being forced to supplement millions of others -- which I suppose would be worse if we weren't putting the country in debt to fund at least part of the cost of that suplementation. But it just means I (and others) will have to pay for it later.

    I suppose that would be fine -- unfair in my estimation, maybe not yours -- if it had been sold honestly. But the "You can keep your insurance, period!" was always the bullshit anyone who cared to consider it said. As was the "going to save everyone $2,500 on their premiums," nonsense that got applause. What we got was a muddled scheme that attempts to offer millions of people something costly. ... on the back of millions of others who are way worse off for the mess they got stuck with. It attempts to do that redistribution via a giant price-fixing scheme that has created what was entirely predictable, which means that the system in the aggregate is less efficient now and more costly.

    But amazingly the Jonathan Grubers and Zeke Emanuels of the world are still out there telling people they are better off despite the economic reality they are living. ... people are just too dumb to know how much better off they are.
     
  9. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

  10. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Words don't mean things.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    But for those folks who have lost their job right now because a plant went down the Mexico, that isn’t going to make you feel better. And so what we have to do is to make sure that folks are trained for the jobs that are coming in now because some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back, and when somebody says, like the person you just mentioned who I’m not going to advertise for, that he’s going to bring all these jobs back, well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do?

    There’s — there’s no answer to it. He just says, “Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.” Well, how — what — how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn’t have an answer.


     
  12. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    My company is in the process of changing insurance plans/companies for the third time in three years.
     
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