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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    It's not easy being blue
     
  2. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

    Someone tell @Inky_Wretch that he should stop fraternizing with such lessers.
     
  3. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    A whole bunch of money will be saved by consolidating everything in the SkyHouse air traffic control center in Austin.
     
  4. SpeedTchr

    SpeedTchr Well-Known Member

    Thanks to whichever darling erased my response to Neutral Corner and Starman. Glad to know the mods approve of wishing death on people! Have a great day.
     
  5. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    We all need to Be Careful. The word is coming down.
     
  6. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    1) Presumably, they would turn a profit by selling their service to travelers / airlines, if it was privately allocated. How does the person who sells you a cup of coffee make a profit? They sell the coffee for more than the cost of making and selling it.
    2) The "government" doesn't fund it. At best, the government can pass the cost to individual citizens via taxes (or in the case of our government in practice, by running up debt we're all the hook for).
    3) The real reason privatization doesn't really work with air traffic control (and from Trump's babbling, they aren't really talking about privatization, likely for this reason), is that trying to get airlines (and travelers) to all pony up voluntarily for an air traffic control system runs into what's known as a "free rider" problem. An air traffic control system only works if EVERYONE is a part of it. Knowing that, there is no incentive to pay for it. Let's say there are 10 airlines, and 9 of them agree to chip in for the system. The system doesn't work without the 10th airline. Knowing that, the incentive for that 10th airline is to try to benefit from the system without paying for it. The other 9 airlines see that, and then they don't want to pay for it. And you end up with no air traffic control system. Those kinds of services are the one thing it actually makes sense for government to provide -- because without it, you don't get it.
     
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  8. Iron_chet

    Iron_chet Well-Known Member

    I don't see the issue with privatizing ATC services. In Canuckistan it is how we operate, basically the airlines pay fees for the rights to fly, you can even look up on their website what the nav charges are that the airline is being charged.

    Nav Canada - Wikipedia
     
  9. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Like Ragu mentioned earlier, it seems like ATC is a no-brainer for the government. The "private sector can do it better and cheaper" doesn't always apply.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This is likely similar to what Trump will be proposing. I don't consider this "privatized." It's kinda, sorta privately run-- I get that--but it's not operating in a competitive environment of any sort. And it only exists by the grace of a government-created (and enforced) monopoly.

    There may be legit reasons to have a system set up that way -- privately run, rather than run directly by a government entity of some sort -- but the differences between the two aren't that great. The one thing Canada NAV has going for it is that rather than just clueless and corrupt political appointees running the system, there is at least some representation from the air carriers themselves on the Board of Directors. Given that those carriers bear all of the cost, though, the shortfall is that they don't even have a majority of the director seats. ... there are three political appointees and two labor union seats that can form a majority if they team up.
     
  11. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    Good explanations, Ragu. Sounds like it can work if it's done right, but I don't think this administration can walk and chew gum at the same time.
     
  12. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Doesn't matter if it's Spicey or Sarah Huckabee Sanders, these White House briefings are still a shitshow.

    Good gawd, POTUS is engaging in trash talk regarding the mayor of London like Warriors and Cavs fans are today, and she's blaming the media.
     
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