President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Neutral Corner · Jul 17, 2017

How are they going to cover Trump's tweetstorm from his morning shitter without mentioning Obamacare?

Riptide · Jul 17, 2017

Same shit, different day ...

HanSenSE · Jul 17, 2017

Songbird said: ↑

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And by the strangest of coincidences ... or will this be Obama's fault too?
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hondo · Jul 17, 2017

daemon said: ↑

I agree on all counts. But, again, this gets back to my point about the inherent tension between the lofty ideals of the liberal world view and the pragmatic realities of elections. I tend to err on the side of ends rather than means. At the end of the day, the best way to combat misogyny and bigotry within the framework of an election is to win that election.

I'm not suggesting liberals faced an either/or choice of condemning or condoning the ignorance that was on display throughout the campaign. I'm suggesting they would have fared better pursuing a strategy that accepted the fact that there was (and still is) a broad swath of voters who do not share their level of passion regarding that ignorance. Rather than Trump's base, I'm referring to the people who agreed with his and Bernie's message that establishment Washington no longer represents them, and who first and foremost wanted someone who sounded as if he would fight for their personal economic interests. If you were a bigot or a misogynist, then you weren't voting for anybody but Trump. But by the end of the campaign the left's message seemed to be that if you did vote for Trump, then that alone qualified you as a misogynist or a bigot. People do not act kindly to being labeled something they genuinely believe they are not. And, even if they are that something, insisting it to them only serves to drive them back into the safety of people who accept them for who they (believe) they are.

Perhaps people look at choosing a president the way they look at choosing a lawyer, or an agent. Give me the guy that seems to have my best interests at heart, the guy who is going to fight for me, even if I wouldn't want him to babysit my kids.

Personally, I think most people who voted for Trump outside of his base were guilty first and foremost of being either dangerously ignorant or helplessly naive. Either way, the remedy was not to yell at them and call them names. It was to educate them, and construct a coherent argument that explained exactly how your candidate would better address their concerns. That, more than anything, was HRC's failing. There were a lot of ancillary things that could've played a contributing role, from cultural misogyny to the DNC hack to Comey's handling of the personal email scandal. But all of those things were outside of the Dems' control, and yet they still seem to be the only things that anybody wants to focus on. What's the use of that? There's none. It's a defeatist's mentality: focus on all the reasons why life is unfair rather than identifying all of the factors that are within your control and figuring out a way to do them better.

The course of this thread is the same way things go amongst my fellow liberal friends: any suggestion that the election yielded some lessons on things Democrats could do better is met with a discouraging amount of resistance, which turns into the same old feedback loop: anger to defiance to self-pity. That ain't the way to keep it from happening again...
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UPChip · Jul 17, 2017

HanSenSE said: ↑

And by the strangest of coincidences ... or will this be Obama's fault too?
Massive 7.7 Magnitude Earthquake Strikes Between Russia and Alaska
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Hope all the Palins' 'snow machines' are OK.

hondo · Jul 17, 2017

RickStain said: ↑

People don't take kindly to being called misogynists? I don't take kindly to them installing a man who bought a beauty pageant solely for the purpose of bursting in on teenage girls undressed. I guess we'll have to live with each other's opinions of the other.
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Get a better candidate next time.

HanSenSE · Jul 17, 2017

UPChip said: ↑

Hope all the Palins' 'snow machines' are OK.
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I hope she's providing authorities with updates as she sits at her home.

Webster · Jul 17, 2017

The bill is dead but he got to sit behind the wheel of a fire truck. All in all a net positive day for Trump.

HanSenSE · Jul 17, 2017

Riptide said: ↑

Same shit, different day ...

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Whatever you say, Donald.

Twirling Time · Jul 17, 2017

The carnage in the 2018 Republican primaries is going to be gruesome.

In other words, start buying stock in Orville Redenbacher now.

Neutral Corner · Jul 17, 2017

Go to Costco and buy in bulk.

Deskgrunt50 · Jul 17, 2017

Twirling Time said: ↑

The carnage in the 2018 Republican primaries is going to be gruesome.

In other words, start buying stock in Orville Redenbacher now.
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Fingers crossed. But lazy-ass Dems have to change their own history in mid-term elections and Get Out The Vote. And run good candidates.

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