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Actually, they do. Hilary's 48% was concentrated in about five areas: California, New York , Illinois, New Jersey and Nevada. Might want to worry about Middle America and getting some votes from those states. Otherwise, get your 48% again in 2020 and watch and see what happens. And you shorted your president. He got 46%.

 

True. But what the party will need to do to drive the voters that stayed home in 2016 to the polls in 2020, will push more centrist voters out of the party.

Go ahead. Promise basic universal income. Support movements like #BlackLivesMatter. Embrace the anti-Semites who organize the Women's March and the Dyke March.

That should work out great for you.

 

He got less than 46.

And even 46+48 isn't 100. And turnout rate is still a thing.

Again: Trump's 2016 total couldn't touch Obama's 2012 total. Was Obama not a leftist with largely urban appeal?

 

Who did she donate to when President Obama targeted journalists?

 

If only we had a recent example of a candidate actively driving out 10% of his party's base from the center and evening it out by picking up new voters on the extreme. Then we would know if such a thing were possible.

Centrist voters are much smaller than the people fellating them try to make you believe. People are brand-loyal and partisan.

 

According to Wikipedia, he got 46.1%

United States presidential election, 2016 - Wikipedia

According to Cook Political, he got 46.1

2016 National Popular Vote Tracker (Final)


My point is, if democrats don't reach Middle America and change their tune, they'll lose again.

 

If Barack Obama was eligible to run in 2020, your lack of concern would make sense.

 

Being able to comfortably use "retarded" again.

 

You're right, it ended at 46.1. I had 45.8 in my head.

And my point is, there are ways to reach Middle America without fellating old rural whites, which is what people like you mean when you say "middle America." Voters like you did come to Trump, but only enough to make up for what he lost in the center to people who recognize a mentally ill man when they see one. He ended up with totals that would have made him a handy loser against someone who could turn out the urban areas like Obama did.

Milwaukee, Madison, Detroit, Ann Arbor, Philadelphia. These are part of Middle America too.

 

Trump must've done a better job at voter suppression than Romney.

 

Much of the Obama coalition felt Obama had been insufficiently forceful in advocating their interests, and felt Clinton, an old white lady, would be even less forceful.

A tiny percentage said, "fuck you, I'll vote for Trump, that'll show you."

A substantial percentage said, "I'll just stay home."

Clinton was projected to win in a romp. They figured the worst that would happen would be Clinton would win by an embarrassingly thin margin over a clown candidate.

Put together, plus help from Uncle Vlad, that was enough to flip it.

 

I am extremely derisive of the idea that Democrats need to "appeal to Middle America." It comes from a place that both misunderstands why Trump won in 2016 *and* really just wants Democrats to go there regardless of whether it would help them win or not.

But don't mistake that for lack of concern. We've got 3.5 more years to concoct voter suppression plans and to let Russian bot-nets try to sow discord and misinformation (they've been lining up on Kamala Harris the last few weeks, which is a good sign that they're worried about her). And no matter how much people report disliking Trump in approval ratings, going up against another candidate is different. Once the Fox News propaganda machine takes hold, any Democratic candidate, no matter how moderate, will be "THE MOST SOCIALIST CANDIDATE EVER!!!!" and suddenly they may hate Trump with the intensity of 1,000 suns, but they hate (whoever) with 1,001 and they just have no choice but to vote for him. Hell, maybe sometime in the next 3.5 years, Republicans might accidentally do something the general public approves of and generate some support that way.