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Starman · Aug 20, 2017

The Pus-Oozing Pig goes after the Pretty Princess.

Bannon Vs Ivanka? Breitbart Suggests Ivanka is to Blame for Bannon’s Ouster

Inky_Wretch · Aug 20, 2017

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Are they not a fringe element of the left?

I'd hope you'd want to differentiate them from the left as a whole. But, if you don't want to, if they're not a distinct subset of the left, then we shouldn't use the term, I suppose.
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I'm just trying to figure out if "alt-left" is a term embraced or foisted upon antifa. The white nationalists tried to hide their hate under the softer and gentler "alt-right."

Is antifa doing that? Or is the right calling them that in an attempt to say deflect from the normalization of hate groups under the "alt-right" banner?

Inky_Wretch · Aug 20, 2017

Why are confederate memorials the only monuments Trump is trying to protect?

Zinke under fire from public lands advocates

Dick Whitman · Aug 20, 2017

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The Chicago Dyke March, a local event, had more participants than any Richard Spencer associated national events.

And, the leaders are anti-Semitic.

So, has the Democratic Party made it clear that they disassociate with this group, and do not want them as party members or voters?

If not, why not?
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Don't care.

BTExpress · Aug 20, 2017

Petulant Dickie not my favorite Dickie.

YankeeFan · Aug 20, 2017

The left: Republicans must disassociate themselves from racists and anti-Semites.

Republicans: We have. Repeatedly. For years. Have you done the same?

@Dick Whitman: I don't want to talk about race or anti-Semitism anymore. Trump is stupid!

Riptide · Aug 20, 2017

Starman said: ↑

The Pus-Oozing Pig goes after the Pretty Princess.

Bannon Vs Ivanka? Breitbart Suggests Ivanka is to Blame for Bannon’s Ouster
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That might be it for Bannon. Trump's liable to send in Seal Team Six.

TheSportsPredictor · Aug 20, 2017

They haven't.

Songbird · Aug 20, 2017

The Emojiism of America ...

outofplace · Aug 20, 2017

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I don't think you can label it a rally either.
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How about failed attempt

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The administration has clearly not sought the support of neo-Nazis and/or white supremacists.

This is such a scurrilous charge, brought by a parry who has played the race card for over 20 years, has embraced folks like Al Sharpton, and has driven white voters, who long supported Democrats, out of the party, and only now, when they vote for Donald Trump, wants to label their former voters as racists.

And, let's be 100% clear: no party should accept, as members or voters, people who hold views like white supremacy. I reject this. Donald Trump has repeatedly done this, as has every Republican Party leader.

But, here's what I want to know -- who's support does the Democratic Party reject?

From what I can tell, and from what @Michael_ Gee has said, the only voters you want out of the party are pro-life voters.

But, how about folks who don't support equal rights for homosexuals? Are you going to throw them out of the party? Are you going to denounce the African-American and Muslim members of your party, and demand they to vote for democratic candidates? Are you going to denounce any candidate who seeks their support?

And, folks want to say #BLM isn't racist or separatist. OK, but how about the African-American groups who are decidedly separatist, like the ones the Dallas cop killer supported?

Johnson liked on Facebook the New Black Panther Party (NBPP), the Nation of Islam and the Black Riders Liberation Party, all listed by the SPLC as hate groups.

NBPP was formed in Dallas, and its leaders have long expressed virulently anti-white and anti-Semitic opinions. Its leaders have blamed Jews for the 9/11 terrorist attacks and for the slave trade. The late former party chairman Khalid Abdul Muhammad once said, "There are no good crackers, and if you find one, kill him before he changes." A document on the NBPP website titled "The Nationalist Manifesto" claims that white men have a secret plan to commit genocide against the non-white races. It also refers to black people who condone mixed-race relationships as the "modern day Custodians [sic] of Uncle Tom's Cabin."

Dallas Sniper Connected to Black Separatist Hate Groups on Facebook

Now, the usual response to this is to laugh and chuckle that someone would raise a nothingburger group like the New Black Panther Party, which probably has a few hundred members.

Yes! Exactly, they're really small, just like the white racist groups.

Richard Spencer and his kind only thrive when the media turns a spotlight on them, and makes them appear more prominent than they are.

Spencer has held two big events since Trump's election, one in D.C., around the time of the inauguration, and the one in Charlottesville. Each nationwide event attracted a couple hundred losers.

The event yesterday in Boston attracted how many people? I've seen "a couple dozen" mentioned.

This "Nazi" thing is a media creation. It's like the "summer of the shark".

There's no more white supremacists today than there were four years ago, or eight years ago. They make up no bigger percentage of the republican party.

The gains the republican party made among white voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio didn't come from attracting new, far right voters to the polls. They attracted white, former Democratic voters to vote republican.
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It is amazing how many unsupported claims you can shove into one post. Congratulations on that.

The claim that the "Nazi thing' is a media creation is based one one, what failed rally when the heat was on? Bullshit.

Has the Trump administration sought out white supremacists? That is subjective, not nearly as cut and dry as you made it out to be. They certainly haven't rejected support from white supremacists strongly enough.

And your claim regarding who is acceptable the entire Democratic Party is based on the words of one poster? That's funny. The bullshit is piled quite high in this post.

Neutral Corner · Aug 20, 2017

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And, if we reject Robert E. Lee from a place of prominence in American history -- not because he was a racist, or because he owned slaves, like Washington and Jefferson, but because he took up arms against the nation -- then how do we not denounce the leaders of the Women's March, when they feature Angela Davis, a socialist, a member of the Black Panther Party, and a woman who participated in violent revolution against our nation, as a featured speaker?
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Robert E. Lee will always have his place in our history. He was a remarkable man, and a fine military leader and tactician who overcame the odds often. As long as American History is taught, he will be with us.

The issue is that the Heroes of the Confederacy have been literally been put up on a pedestal. There are many in today's society, particularly the descendants of slaves, who find that distasteful in the extreme.

outofplace · Aug 20, 2017

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No.

The reason this is happening is because the media turned its spotlight on a guy named Richard Spencer, who no one ever heard of, to then try and tie him to Trump.

There's no resurgence in neo-Nazis. They're no more welcome in the Republican Party than they were four or eight years ago.

And, they're no more embolden than they were previously. Idiots like this have been around forever. They've held events and rallies forever. But, they were mostly ignored, because they attracted a couple of dozen people.

Now, the same events still attract couple of dozen people, they just also attract a hundred news cameras.

If they do feel more embolden, it's only because they have the national media promoting them every day.
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Check out this line in bold. At best, you can't support the claim regarding neo-Nazis. At worst, you are making it up be cause you don't want it to be true. The second sentence simply isn't true. Trump has made them feel more welcome in the Republican Party. You can argue whether or not that was his intent, but he did it.

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