President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

outofplace · Sep 1, 2017

BTExpress said: ↑

Some people believe that constantly being in a tit-fot-tat with a country possessing 8,000 nuclear weapons is against our best interests.

Some people believe constantly threatening the security of a nation possessing 8,000 nuclear weapons by NATO expansion on its borders and other European and Middle East meddling is against our best interests.

Some people believe that sanctions are nothing more than attitude in place of real policy, and that real policy is a better alternative.

Some people believe working WITH a country possessing 8,000 nuclear weapons is a better alternative than working AGAINST them. Especially when the "against" part really has nothing to do with "American interests" (Syria, Ukraine) but simply is taking the opposite side just because, well, that's what we always do (see Afghanistan, 80s).
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It is possible to work with Russia without being a puppet. If the accusations are true, he didn't promise favors for the good of the United States. He promised them for help in winning the presidential election and lied to cover it up.

You're every bit as bad as YF with this shit.

cranberry · Sep 1, 2017

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I didn't have cranberry's reaction to that article. I didn't think it was a white-wash, but that it was an attempt to show that the antifa crowd is not innocent, either.

The problem with all of this is summarized by the cop in the story's thought that there is a thin line between solving one problem and causing another -- a very true concept.

Unfortunately, it is also exacerbated by the fact that both sides think, and could be speaking, Gibson's last line: “We can’t stand by, we’ve gotta stand up. And we’ve got to do it together, or it’s gonna be gone.”

That, right there, is the problem. Sides, by their very definition, are not "together."

One of my main problems with all of this, too, is that all the discord, frankly, seems almost fake and manufactured. I often think the same thing whenever I see people's references to Trump as the Fuhrer, and these seemingly play-acting Nazis to real Nazis, and even heyabbot's reference to his ancestors' experiences in the Warsaw Ghetto.

We are not in the middle of WWII. We are living in, comparatively, incredibly privileged times that are ALLOWING these people to behave as they are, not causing or prompting it.

Which, in my mind, makes it all even more disturbing.
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Yeah, Joey Gibson is just another misunderstood public figure being persecuted by the main stream media. (Sort of like Josh Duggar.) And it's just coincidence that the only people who show up to support the rallies he organizes happen to be neo-Nazis and white supremacists because he's really just about peace and love and understanding and bringing moderates together.

QYFW · Sep 1, 2017

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Remember when one of his original excuses for firing Comey was that he was too rough on Clinton? That's ok, neither does Trump.

#lookoverthere
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You have to admit it seems Comet had no idea what he was doing with this whole situation.

QYFW · Sep 1, 2017

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Yeah, Joey Gibson is just another misunderstood public figure being persecuted by the main stream media. (Sort of like Josh Duggar.) And it's just coincidence that the only people who show up to support the rallies he organizes happen to be neo-Nazis and white supremacists because he's really just about peace and love and understanding and bringing moderates together.
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No one in their right mind.

doctorquant · Sep 1, 2017

cranberry said: ↑

Yeah, Joey Gibson is just another misunderstood public figure being persecuted by the main stream media. (Sort of like Josh Duggar.) And it's just coincidence that the only people who show up to support the rallies he organizes happen to be neo-Nazis and white supremacists because he's really just about peace and love and understanding and bringing moderates together.
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One wonders what the antifa et al. would have to do vis-a-vis the esteemed Mr. Gibson for you to say, "Hmmm, that's perhaps a bit too far."

doctorquant · Sep 1, 2017

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Not sure where to post this. But just an observation. The BLS just put the monthly jobs number out. I have posted before what a BS number this is (they don't actually count jobs. They make up shit and then adjust it using random criteria), even though it is widely watched by markets -- not because it tells anything about the economy itself (it doesn't), but because people try to read the tea leaves of whether the Fed will remain perpetually dovish, which is all that has driven asset prices higher. The game is, "Is the party still on, or are they going to take away the booze."

Anyhow, this month they come in with a weaker number than the numbers everyone got exited about the last two months, and they revised both of those last 2 months down (making all the excitement at the time the usual farce).

Here is the thing, though. ... I opened up their release (nobody ever looks, they just report a stupid headline number) and one of the first things I noticed was that among the downward revisions tfrom July and August was government hiring! i.e. -- the government can't even accurately count government hiring (if you believe the nonsensical numbers they make up, in the first place). How perfect is that?
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All the more reason to have single-hirer (like health insurance single-payer, but with the government pricing and allocating all the labor across all sectors of the economy) ...

cranberry · Sep 1, 2017

doctorquant said: ↑

One wonders what the antifa et al. would have to do vis-a-vis the esteemed Mr. Gibson for you to say, "Hmmm, that's perhaps a bit too far."
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They shouldn't kill him.

QYFW · Sep 1, 2017

cranberry said: ↑

They shouldn't kill him.
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What if he was a 39-week-old fetus, though?

doctorquant · Sep 1, 2017

QYFW said: ↑

What if he was a 39-week-old fetus, though?
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Fucker's toast.

YankeeFan · Sep 1, 2017

cranberry said: ↑

Yeah, Joey Gibson is just another misunderstood public figure being persecuted by the main stream media. (Sort of like Josh Duggar.) And it's just coincidence that the only people who show up to support the rallies he organizes happen to be neo-Nazis and white supremacists because he's really just about peace and love and understanding and bringing moderates together.
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Is Joey Gibson someone I'm supposed to be familiar with?

I have no idea who he is, aside from reading about half of the Weekly Standard article. Does he have a history of holding rallies attended by neo-Nazis and white supremacists?

Riptide · Sep 1, 2017

YankeeFan · Sep 1, 2017

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That's the best Lincoln quote they could come up with?

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