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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member


     
  2. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    Arizona's nonpartisan redistricting commission has done a pretty darn good job.
     
  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    You would find your suspicion incorrect within the first couple minutes of digging into the topic. I am surprised and intrigued that a fairly intelligent conservative voter is genuinely ignorant of the way democracy is being subverted to build-in a large edge, rather than just OK with it because it leads to their side winning.
     
  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Yes, but its sixth objective -- not its first or second ... is electoral competitiveness.
     
  5. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    I'd argue there's a giant difference between admitting countries like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania into NATO and invading sovereign nations and annexing territory. Using one as an excuse to do the other is quite convenient.
     
  6. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

  7. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    That was a transcript of a verbal assurance (not a treaty or formal memorialized agreement of any type) by James Baker that the Bush administration was against NATO expansion at the time (1990), which was more than a quarter of a century ago in a very different world. NATO has expanded several times since then, including in 2004 under leadership of the second Bush administration. It's meaningless.
     
  8. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Ah, the ol' "we had our fingers crossed" rationalization. As opposed to the iron-clad Anti-Ballistic Missile TREATY that Bush43 simply withdrew from in 2002. How did that "formal agreement" work out?

    And as I stated in my OP, your or my opinion of the significance is not important. Let the people decide how "meaningless" it is. When the media refuses to acknowledge the documents, they fail to let the people decide. They fail in their job.

    NATO expansion is by far the driving force behind US-Russia tensions. Ignoring the duplicitous roles in its expansion guarantees the tensions will never cease.
     
  9. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    Then-governor Jan Brewer tried to fire them and start over when she realized there was a chance Democrats may be competitive in some of the districts. Thankfully she lost in court.
     
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  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    LOL. What a fucking idiot. Trump is guilty, unless he can prove himself innocent, by disproving the charges in the “dossier”.

     
  11. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Nope. What on earth makes you think James Baker could make binding agreements on behalf of future administrations (and other sovereign countries) in a conversation 28 years ago?

    And nobody gives a fuck how Russia feels. It's a third-rate power that under Putin, a mobster, has risen to the level of first-rate nuisance. We need to substantially increase sanctions.
     
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  12. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    If you're going to throw around the "fucking idiot" tag, you ought to make sure Trump, Pence, McConnell, Grassey, Sessions and Ryan are on your scorecard. And their lackeys, too. They keep proving they could fuck up a bake sale.
     
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