President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Dick Whitman · Feb 19, 2018

micropolitan guy said: ↑

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

Sounds as if one of the most brilliant men of his (or any other) time thought a document written in the 18th century could evolve just fine, especially if leaders led. In Jefferson's day, somehow the leaders from various states and parties reached a compromise on the greatest issues of the day. Today's idiots can't agree what's for lunch. The problem isn't the document. It's the leaders sworn to uphold it, starting with the Clown-in-Chief.

The Constitution is hard to amend for a reason. Otherwise it would have more loopholes than the tax code.
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Yeah, those great men reached a compromise all right. Three-fifths of one, really.

Dick Whitman · Feb 19, 2018

RickStain said: ↑

A more direct quote from Jefferson on the matter:

“No society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. . . . The constitution and laws of their predecessors [are] extinguished . . . in their natural course with those who gave them being. . . . Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”
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Also (and I suspect you agree): Jefferson’s words should be evaluated on their merit. He is not divine nor otherwise infallible.

heyabbott · Feb 19, 2018

HanSenSE · Feb 19, 2018

melock said: ↑

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Nothing to see out of this administration folks ... keep moving.

melock · Feb 19, 2018

And the ass kissing has begun.

outofplace · Feb 19, 2018

YankeeFan said: ↑

Democrats: If we can't get citizenship for Dreamers, maybe we can get 16-year-olds the vote:

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Perhaps the author is a fan of The West Wing?

What's the problem, YankeeFan? Republicans have their tricks to manipulate who gets to vote and who doesn't. Why don't you have a problem with that?

outofplace · Feb 19, 2018

QYFW said: ↑

You are responding to an imaginary post.
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So you don't think it's bad to make it difficult for certain groups of Americans to vote?

Slacker · Feb 19, 2018

Note to @YankeeFan: Obama surging again!!!

Members of the American Political Science Association were surveyed by The New York Times about their rankings of the 44 U.S. presidents. Barack Obama jumped 10 spots since the last survey in 2014.

Opinion | How Does Trump Stack Up Against the Best — and Worst — Presidents?

outofplace · Feb 19, 2018

micropolitan guy said: ↑

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

Sounds as if one of the most brilliant men of his (or any other) time thought a document written in the 18th century could evolve just fine, especially if leaders led. In Jefferson's day, somehow the leaders from various states and parties reached a compromise on the greatest issues of the day. Today's idiots can't agree what's for lunch. The problem isn't the document. It's the leaders sworn to uphold it, starting with the Clown-in-Chief.

The Constitution is hard to amend for a reason. Otherwise it would have more loopholes than the tax code.
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Holy crap! YankeeFan and I both liked this post!

Rick, micro nailed it here.

Guy_Incognito · Feb 19, 2018

heyabbott said: ↑

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Does your racism know no bounds?

QYFW · Feb 19, 2018

Slacker said: ↑

Note to @YankeeFan: Obama surging again!!!

Members of the American Political Science Association were surveyed by The New York Times about their rankings of the 44 U.S. presidents. Barack Obama jumped 10 spots since the last survey in 2014.

Opinion | How Does Trump Stack Up Against the Best — and Worst — Presidents?
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heyabbott · Feb 19, 2018

Guy_Incognito said: ↑

Does your racism know no bounds?
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took a second, then literally
Lol

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