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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    And let's be clear here. In this situation, the child's interests are not being weighed (by the doctors, or the government that employs them) in isolation.
     
    doctorquant, Apr 25, 2018
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  2. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Serious medical decisions don’t need to be one of them
     
    RickStain, Apr 25, 2018
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  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    No life hangs in the balance here. The child is terminally ill. The balance has already tipped.
     
    RickStain, Apr 25, 2018
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  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know how more contradictory you can be than strident, "Americans want to be the boss of everyone they meet" statements, and then being the guy who unilaterally wants to tell everyone else who is best qualified to make decisions regarding their child (i.e -- an M.D.). There is a huge difference between beating a child or feeding them rocks (those are safety issues regarding people who don't have the capacity to protect themselves) and what we are discussing.

    Most physicians (at least the ones with good judgment, and not the ones with god delusions) would be the first to tell you that what they do isn't magic. ESPECIALLY when it comes to dire medical situations. They can give you odds of things happening based on courses of treatment, they can lay out the pros and cons of a course of treatment relative to forgoing it or choosing another option, but a physician often doesn't have a clear-cut path, in terms of what the right thing to do is. And when you get into a situation in which you want them to make decisions about whether someone is better off dead than alive given their medical condition, you are straying even farther from the expertise they actually have. There is a reason that the many short-cut interpretations of the Hippocratic Oath distill it down to, "First, do no harm."
     
    The Big Ragu, Apr 25, 2018
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  5. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Mainly due to extenuating circumstances, or an overriding public health concern, that did not exist in the Evans case.
     
    MisterCreosote, Apr 25, 2018
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  6. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    There is nothing more personal than a serious medical decision.
     
    MisterCreosote, Apr 25, 2018
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  7. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    She's a close personal friend. Apparently, I'm the calm one in that particular friendship.
     
    outofplace, Apr 25, 2018
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  8. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Parents are not their children. It’s personal to the child. Since the child cannot make that decision on their own, a variety of adults are responsible for it. Ideally those adults can come to an agreement. If not, there is no need for a permanent, irrevocable parent veto.
     
    RickStain, Apr 25, 2018
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  9. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    poindexter, Apr 25, 2018
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  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member


    Desperate for change, Schilling, like so many other once reliable Democrats in these parts, responded enthusiastically to what Trump was saying...

    Do, republicans voted for Trump out of party loyalty, but white, racist democrats switched their votes.

    Odd, since I was told that Dems had ousted every last racist years ago,
     
    YankeeFan, Apr 25, 2018
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  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Regarding kids and their autonomy: A woman I know posted a photo on Facebook this morning of her kid in the dental chair. Of all the Facebook sharing tropes, the sick kid photo has to be one of the strangest. I've posted plenty of photos of my kids into my seasonal albums, but I'm starting to get queasier and queasier about it, to be honest.
     
    Dick Whitman, Apr 25, 2018
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  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Why would I possibly care about this?
     
    Dick Whitman, Apr 25, 2018
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