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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    It is kind of funny that people think they're going to find a "smoking gun" of illegality in his tax returns.

    Like there's going to be a line showing how much money he made "laundering money for Russian mobsters."

    It's what you leave out of your taxes that gets you in trouble.
     
    YankeeFan, Jul 18, 2018
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  2. lakefront

    lakefront Well-Known Member

    Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

    Destruction of documents
    In June 2016, a USA Today article reported that Donald Trump and his companies have been deleting emails and other documents on a large scale,[217] including evidence in lawsuits, sometimes in defiance of court orders and under subpoena since as early as 1973.[174][218][219] In October 2016, Kurt Eichenwald published new research findings in Newsweek. The findings were first published by Paul Singer[220] on June 13, 2016[221] and gained larger attention[222][223] after a new report in Newsweek on October 31, 2016. According to Newsweek, Trump and his companies "hid or destroyed thousands of documents" involving several court cases from as early as 1973.

    "Over the course of decades, Donald Trump's companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders.... In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records."

    — Kurt Eichenwald, Donald Trump's Companies Destroyed Emails in Defiance of Court Orders Newsweek, October 31, 2016
    In 1973 Trump, his father and their company were in court for civil charges for refusing to rent apartments to African Americans. After their lawyers had delayed court requests for documents for several months, Trump, then being under subpoena, said his company had destroyed corporate records of the past six months "for saving space". In a court case beginning in 2005 against Power Plant Entertainment, LLC, an affiliate of real estate developer Cordish Cos., it was revealed that Trump's companies had deleted the data requested by court.[224] Cordish Cos. had built two American Indian[225] casinos in Florida under the Hard Rock brand and Donald Trump accused them of cheating him out of that deal. Nonetheless, Trump's lawyers had refused to instruct workers to keep all records related to the case during litigation.[174] Trump had established a procedure to delete all data from their employees' computers every year at least since 2003,[222] despite knowing at least since 2001 that he might want to file a lawsuit. Even after the lawsuit was filed, Trump Hotels disposed of a computer of a key witness without having made a backup of the data. A former general counsel of the Trump casino unit confirmed that all data were deleted from nearly all companies' computers annually. Trump and his lawyers claimed they were not keeping records and digital data although it was revealed that Trump had launched his own high-speed internet provider in 1998 and an IBM Domino server had been installed for emails and digital files in 1999.[174][223]
     
    lakefront, Jul 18, 2018
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  3. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Legal trouble, yes. Political trouble is different. If those returns were to show (no idea if this is true, just positing) a pattern of very big loans from Russian banks, businesses, etc., it would be politically problematic for Trump but not legally so.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Jul 18, 2018
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  4. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Well, that's the thing. We may find out he left stuff out of his taxes.
     
    Baron Scicluna, Jul 18, 2018
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  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I actually don't think that a presidential candidate should be compelled to release tax returns. That said, if one does release them, and they happen to be someone with a tangled mess of slimy business dealings, it creates a public record. The tax returns in and of themselves might not contain any smoking guns. But let's say later on, some source of income comes public which ISN'T on those tax returns. The fact that it's all been made public makes it difficult for the IRS to sweep it under the rug, as they will want to for a president.

    Also, he was under no obligation to release his tax returns. And I personally didn't care. I knew he's a dishonest shithead and bullshit artist, and his tax returns weren't going to do anything to elucidate that. However, now that he's president, and his behavior is making it clear that he is abusing the power of his office in a multitude of ways, he refuses to acknowledge Russia's possible role in a dirty tricks campaign regarding our election and he has been very invested in obfuscating the truth and obstructing justice with regard to getting to to the truth regarding it, we all have to ask why. And for that reason, I am sure Bob Mueller has been digging deep into his finances and financial transactions to see if it holds a key as to why Trump has behaved the way he has.

    I'm usually as circumspect as anyone with regard to the Feds digging into people's lives. There had better be VERY good reason. I don't see how Trump's behavior, combined with all of the evidence of possible coordination of people in his circle with people who may have been involved in the hacks (that we know about so far at least) doesn't more than provide the reasonable suspicion that would form the basis for the warrants that would be necessary. And once that barn door is opened, I have little doubt that it is going to reveal a hornet's nest of things that many a person has spent time in a Federal prison for.

    I'm also of the opinion that a president shouldn't be immune from that scrutiny because he's the president. I see it the exact opposite way. He should be held to the highest standard because he chose to be president and reap the rewards that come with holding the office.
     
    The Big Ragu, Jul 18, 2018
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  6. lakefront

    lakefront Well-Known Member

     
    lakefront, Jul 18, 2018
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  7. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    It’s simple.

    He wants to build hotels.

    Follow the hotels.
     
    Vombatus, Jul 18, 2018
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  8. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    I agree with this stuff. It also would be nice if Fucko could be waterboarded until he starts singing loud and clear.

    They could even do it on prime-time TV so Fucko could get his yuuuge network ratings. Winning!
     
    Slacker, Jul 18, 2018
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  9. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Inky_Wretch, Jul 18, 2018
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  10. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Inky_Wretch, Jul 18, 2018
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  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Would those even be in his personal tax returns?

    Seems to me, his personal tax returns would show us income he paid himself from the companies he owns.
     
    YankeeFan, Jul 18, 2018
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  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    He gets audited every year. (Likely because of the $900M loss he claimed the one year.

    If he was leaving income out, I trust the IRS would have discovered it.
     
    YankeeFan, Jul 18, 2018
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