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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Worth reading. It’s fairky short, but has links to back up what he is saying.


     
  2. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    Mike Pence watched that clip and clapped his hands and cooed: "Space Force, Mother! SPACE FORCE!"
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Congratulations to our newest citizens.

    The American Dream is alive and well.

     
  4. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    LOL. Fairky enough, not!
     
  5. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Subpoena.
     
  6. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    The Trump InterPlanetary Golf Course, Mars
     
  7. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

  8. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

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  9. lcjjdnh

    lcjjdnh Well-Known Member

    The Bonds thing really should shock the conscience, although was fortunately reversed. This single “non-responsive” answer was the basis of his obstruction of justice conviction. Scary.

    http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2015/04/22/11-10669.pdf

     
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  10. daemon

    daemon Well-Known Member

    No doubt, but I suspect that Mueller is in the driver's seat. He's known the whole time how this is going to play out, and I'd be surprised if he ends up getting out maneuvered. I think the timing of everything he has done so far has been meticulously planned to exert maximum political pressure on Trump to testify, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has more waves of indictments that will slowly tighten the lasso around POTUS until Trump's choice is either testify to clear his name or be presumed guilty in the court of public opinion.

    I've said from the beginning that I think Trump's real fear/danger is something other than "collusion," at least as Dems and the the liberal commentariat envision it. That's why he repeats that word so much, because it's the one thing he knows he personally is not guilty of. He wants to frame this as a yes/no referendum: Did he actively/knowingly coordinate with the Russian government to help in defeat Clinton? I think he and his lawyers are reasonably confident that there is enough reasonable doubt there that he did not. Everything I've read suggests the extent of Trump's involvement in his own campaign was making speeches at rallies and doing media appearances. Most of the Manafort/Russia stuff is a consequence of his campaign staff being allowed to pursue their own interests with zero oversight. What Trump fears most, even more than having to answer questions about obstruction, is whatever else Mueller's team might have uncovered during the course of their investigation, namely, with regard to the foreign money flowing into his business enterprise. People read Trump's tweets as the sign of a man who knows he is guilty of collusion, but I've always read them as the sign of a man who knows that the things he really is guilty of never would have been uncovered without the collusion investigation. He sincerely believes that he is innocent and the legitimate victim of a which hunt because the crime everyone thinks he is going down for isn't the one that he actually committed. He knows that he is being encircled, and he is frustrated because he believes that Mueller never should have had the chance to encircle him.

    I've always believed that the Mueller Report is less likely to be a detailed account of active collusion between Trump and the Russian government during the election than it is to be a devastating expose of the corruption of Trump and the Trump Organization and how that corruption has corrupted the Presidency, with his dealings with Russia during the campaign and since just a small instance of that corruption. That's why his M.O. has shifted toward delegitimizing Mueller and the eventual report. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Republicans fear that the report will shine an unwelcome spotlight on them as well. For Trump and the GOP, I suspect that the worst-case scenario isn't even criminal charges: it's a comprehensive, airtight, evidence-based account of how deeply this presidency and its agenda has been corrupted by interests that clearly do not have America and its people as their priority.

    The coup de grace would be testimony/evidence of Trump shitting on his base in private moments. Trump, in the tee box with a Russian oligarch and two people who are now cooperating with the probe, remarking, "I've got these white trash idiots eating out of my hand so bad, you can't imagine the money we'd all make if I won this thing." That would be the Oval Office Cigar of the Mueller Report.
     
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  11. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Right, I understand the legal wrangling that's going to happen...but should the SCOTUS somehow rule against Trump (highly doubtful, IMO, given what we know about the majority members current and future) then what? Do you think the secret service is going to physically force Trump into a meeting room? Trump and his folks will simply ignore the SCOTUS ruling, and the GOP will simply shrug. Normal Americans who are forced to participate in the judicial system do so to avoid jail; there's no way in hell this President ever gets tossed into jail by this government.
     
  12. melock

    melock Well-Known Member



    He is elite.
     
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