Professional wrestling thread

Vince? Is that you?
C'mon Claws ... you know I have to stand up for my boys R.T. ... errrrr ... RVD and Punk!!!

 

****** SPOILER ALERT*********

The final four in the Rumble were Orton, Edge, Michaels and Undertaker.
Michaels eliminated Orton and Edge and after about 8-10 minutes of action, Undertaker eliminates Michaels to win the Rumble.

According to Meltzer, the actual Rumble match itself was one of the best ever, due mainly to the Michaels-Undertaker portion of the match. I look forward to seeing it in a few hours.

Results for the rest of the card as follows:
Hardys d. MNM (Good match)
Lashley d. Test by countout (beyond horrible)
Batista d. Kennedy (just above 'beyond horrible')
Cena d. Umaga (decent match)

 

Haven't seen the match in question and haven't seen a lot of him since he moved to Smackdown, but it sounds like Batista sucks in stereo sound. I'm sure they'll do a lot to make the Wrestlemania match worth something, but Batista v. Undertaker does NOT sound like a five-star classic in the making.

At least Raw should be interesting with the debate over who gets the title shot. My vote: Trevor Murdoch.

 

Exactly why I say Vince would be in favor of a match like this. At least the outcome.

Tell you what Gimpy, here's something else Vince would do -- RVD and Punk join the Kiss My Ass Club! After, of course, Viscera gets done with them. Wait there's a knock on the casket ... It's Katie Vick. She wants some of RVD and Punk too!

:-X

 

I was watching the Rumble at a bar and unless I missed something, it looked like Michaels had already been eliminated when he came back in. Same with Booker T who was turfed and then came back and eliminated Kane. Where's the fucking officiating here? Christ....

Taker - Michaels wasn't bad....

 

Michaels didn't win for the same reason no one wins in their hometown. It makes for a better story as it screws the fans out of something they truly want and think should happen. Vince has done that kind of booking for years. Every time people complain about it, Vinny Mac just loves that those same people keep coming back only to experience it again and again.

 

That's why, when Raw is in Oklahoma City or Tulsa, expect something bad to happen to Jim Ross.

 

I really hope Punk and RVD end up in TNA: For their sake as much as wanting to see them put on some killer matches.

 

You really think that no one from WWE could equal the Punk-Joe series from ROH?

You really think if they turned loose two guys from the Benoit, Finlay, Shelton, Edge, HBK, RVD crowd that they couldn't have a great series of matches like that? The problem is, they'd rather spend TV time on the silly skits and diva nonsense, and the really good workrate stuff is held back so the main eventers aren't exposed as lumbering lummoxes... even though they are.

I don't doubt for a second that there are tons of guys in WWE who could wrestle the type of matches that you see in ROH. They just aren't allowed to. Instead, everyone is held to some mediocre standard to justify the existence of dudes like Chris Masters.

Rick Scaia at online onslaught wrote about this much more eloquently than I could express in a piece called WWE'S Culture of Mediocrity. I will try to find the link.

 

Omar, I think what MM meant is that no one in Titanland (meaning creative) would dream to allow their workers to do such a match.
That fact was illustrated for me when I saw James Gibson (Jamie Noble) wrestle in ROH for the first time. It was like an awakening for me. Plus, I've watched London and Kendrick should also be included in this mix. Even Undertaker. His match against Angle at No Way Out last year was more fitting for ROH than it was for WWE.

 

Gimpy made my point for me before I could and in fact used the example I was thinking of. Who, other than the ROHbots and the indy fans, would know what a balls-out incredible worker Jamie Noble is? Mainstream fans think of him as the pipsqueak hillbilly jobber who used to team with that other pipsqueak hillbilly jobber, and the mainstream fans with memories remember him as the dude who dated Nidia and blinded her or turned on her when she got blinded or whatever the hell it was.

Any of the guys you mentioned could pair off and raise the roof ... if you filled the arena with non-typical WWE fans. And they could probably convert the regulars, but there's no chance in hell they'll get the opportunity. Not in WWE, anyhow.

 

I don't, and never have, watched anything but WWE, and even that for only a year or two. What's so bad about WWE wrestling, or conversely, what's so good about other brands that WWE doesn't have or do?