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Retirement?

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by bstnmarthn354, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You are waiting for me to post something I have never said? Keep waiting. Or just drag me into your post for no reason.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Can you lighten up? It was a snide way of noting that some of us are pretty unsophisticated about this stuff as compared to the person who deals in it for a living.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    My parents paid for our undergraduate educations. I'll give them that. That's definitely not nothing. And they never made a big deal about it. But my dad was absolutely obsessed, otherwise, with the idea that his kids were grow up lazy. The day I turned 16, I had to go out looking for a part-time job. One summer I came home, and on day 1 stopped into the newspaper office that day to let them know I was available to string. I remember the old man bitching me out that night because I went out with friends instead of already scoring an assignment.

    It's sad, though, because he was unhealthy and mad at the world by the end. I doubt he could have told you what law school either of us went to. He just didn't give a shit any more. And here it worked - both kids highly educated and gainfully employed doing something that impressed people. (Although it shouldn't.) All he had ever wanted.
     
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  4. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    My primary longterm objective is to leave my daughter as comfortable and free of financial stress as possible. I'm paying for her education and she will eventually be left with considerable assets if I do this right. She's also gotten off to a great start herself and has maxed out her contributions to her Vanguard account the first two years since graduating, so she's starting her professional life in very good position. Keep in mind that at some point in the future she will also take over as the primary guardian for my son who has Down syndrome.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This is another key -- but something that won't be much help for a lot of people on here.

    When you start saving like that in your early 20s, the way your daughter did, you give yourself a huge leg up in life. The power of compounding is much greater than people realize -- and compounding requires time. Let's say you are 22 and you can only put away $1,000. And let's say you get annualized returns of 4 percent a year (which used to be MORE THAN achievable -- risk-free -- before the world got fucked up). At the end of the first year when you are 23, you have $1,040. You made $40. At the end of year 39 (when you are 61)? That $1,000 has grown to $4,616. The next year, when you are 62, it is $4,801, a 1-year difference of $185. Your money is growing more than 4X faster than it did in that first year. That is compounding. Now add in the money you put away year after year and the compounding effect on that money. When you have started young, it can add up to enormous sums. Your daughter is doing great. She is way ahead of 95 percent of her peers, even if she is only putting away only a small amount right now. If she is putting away a lot, she could be setting herself up ridiculously well for later.
     
  6. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    I started saving in my early 20s.

    All it meant was I got fucked even harder in 2008.
     
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  7. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    My brother says the same thing, and I don't get it.

    The market came back. Came way back and then some. Unless you just bailed in 2008 and said "Fuck it. I'm out", how did 2008 cripple the typical 401(k) investor? Just seems like Dollar Cost Averaging nirvana to those who stayed the course.
     
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  8. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    I was laid off a few months later, and I opted to take the few grand I had left in a lump-sum payout, because more shit happened and I needed cash.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I made an even better investment before that - I bought a house I planned to flip in a few years. Why throw money away on rent!
     
  10. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    @cranberry and @The Big Ragu have regular financial planning meetings at which they hash out retirement plans for one another. They've recently discussed having one in the press box at Lincoln Financial, but word is that the folks in charge there are pretty particular about discussion tone and volume.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It wasn't my fault. @cranberry decreed that from here on in, Carson Wentz was going to dictate the real rate of interest to us based on the Eagles game plan, and various other tea leave measures only he can discern. And that Doug Peterson was going to be given authority over the money supply to bestow prosperity on the rest of us -- it's to our benefit, even if everyone else is too stupid to see it. I started to object. But @cranberry dismissed me as a crackpot drop-kicker who is obsessed with the single-wing offense, and by the time I could figure out what was going on, there was a security guard standing over me.
     
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  12. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

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