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RIP Ray Guy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by MTM, Nov 3, 2022.

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  1. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    That isn't the same thing, but it is a valid argument.
     
    outofplace, Nov 4, 2022
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  2. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

    This is how I imagine Belichik answering a question about Mac Jones' ankle
     
    DanielSimpsonDay, Nov 4, 2022
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  3. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Randall Cunningham used to do that with the Eagles. Or he would just punt normally. He had the famous 91-yard punt against the Giants in 1989, and an 80-yarder against Dallas a few years later.
     
    Batman, Nov 4, 2022
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  4. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    You might have been born a few years too soon. Reggie Roby was probably the most famous punter of the 80s because of his unique form. I don't know how often we pretended to be punters, but I think every kid probably ripped a hamstring at least once trying to do Roby's high leg kick.
     
    Batman, Nov 4, 2022
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  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Edit: Cunningham lined up as a regular punter at times, but he only had 20 punts in his NFL career.

    Roethlisberger only did quick kicks, lining up as if they would run a play, then stepping farther back to punt. I believe that is what Elway did, too.
     
    outofplace, Nov 4, 2022
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  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I dunno. A lot of people who saw Ray Guy didn't think he was the best punter ever, let alone a Hall of Famer. Dr. Z , who was watching football way before me, always said that Tommy Davis was the best punter ever.

    I actually thought Guy belonged in the Hall, but more because of the fame part of the hall of fame, which is why a very select group of players who had big or memorable moments or achieved legendary status for how they played sometimes get in. Guy boomed kicks and he was a physical marvel. He had legendary status while he played. But my memory is the exact opposite of what several people have said, he was a guy who could air a ball out, sending it 1,000 miles into the air, but he didn't reliably hit corners. And I believe that was the perception of him at the time. When you say "better" do you really mean "more memorable," because you go through the years he was playing and you can take a lot of punters like Dave Jennings or Pat McInally or Rich Camarillo or Reggie Roby, and honestly was Ray Guy really that much better than them in terms of what he did to help his team win?
     
    The Big Ragu, Nov 4, 2022
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  7. Brian J Walter

    Brian J Walter Well-Known Member

    We were teens, I think, in the Roby years, but Guy was still active for part of that.
    Dr. Z always seemed like one of those guys who loved to to harken back to the good old days. It was always my experience reading him that didn't have quite the grasp on the game that someone who spent his life watching it ought to have had.

    When I say "better" I mean "better." Sometimes you can actually tell just by watching. Do I win the argument because of that? Of course not, but numbers don't always tell the truth either.
     
    Brian J Walter, Nov 4, 2022
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  8. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Albie Booth drop-kicked a 63-yard field goal for Yale.
     
    goalmouth, Nov 4, 2022
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  9. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    Zimmerman's first newspaper job was with Sacramento paper. I read an article where he talked about how he would drive to Kezar Stadium in Golden Gate Park to watch the 49'ers. He would sit in the end zone on sunny autumn days with his shirt off and watch Tommy Davis punt.

    I am not enough of an aficionado of punting to buy a ticket to a game to watch the punter. But the total experience sounded like a lot of fun.
     
    LanceyHoward, Nov 4, 2022
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  10. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    And sometime your eyes and your memories play tricks on you.
     
    JC, Nov 4, 2022
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  11. ChrisLong

    ChrisLong Well-Known Member

    Kezar was cool, until you got pelted with bird shit.
     
    ChrisLong, Nov 4, 2022
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  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    These are opinions. I will never fault someone who says, "Look, I watched these players and that guy (no pun intended) was a Hall of Famer. It's not so much that I don't think numbers tell the truth, it's that you can create numbers and selectively use numbers (while ignoring others) that tell whatever truth you want them to. Which is why I won't ever fault someone who watched a player and has an opinion, even if the opinion is different than mine.
     
    The Big Ragu, Nov 4, 2022
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