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RIP Sears

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by The Big Ragu, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Some of both, but much more of the latter. It might've been a lost cause, but the way he went about it made sure it was.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Not sure if you are being facetious. The loan isn't owned by Sears. It's owned by a bank. You still have to pay back the money to the bank that underwrote the line of credit. :)
     
  3. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    It’s worth a try though. Just claim stupidity for a few months. Then say it was from internet advice.
     
  4. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    For getting himself kidnapped.
     
  5. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    There is a Sears by us which closed about a year ago. We went there only to return items which we bought on-line at Lands' End and there was hardly anyone ever in the store. When we looked to buy a new washer/dryer, their prices were competitive, but there was no customer service at the store, so we just went to Home Depot.
     
  6. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    Sears, like other big stores and railroads, owns a hell of a lot of real estate.

    I think one major problem is there are no longer any major takers willing to buy those properties and set up similar sized stores. So, even the real estate holdings have tanked in value.

    Not true for railroads. While big box stores are being cut out of the supply chain, someone’s got to move those products around the country, and railroad intermodal freight has been rising steadily for a few decades. To warehouses, semis and delivery trucks.

    Goodbye big box.

    Railroad stocks are fairly steady gold. Some dips caused by things like 2008, but Americans keep buying more and more shit.

    Just not from Sears.
     
  7. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    All the big boxes are struggling. Academy Sports probably doesn't have five years left. Dick's Sporting Goods about the same. I'd guess Bass Pro/Cabela's won't last much longer either.
     
  8. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    You guys do understand that Eddie lampert's goal was not to save Sears, but to enrich himself, correct?

    He has so many tentacles on every side of the Sears transactions that even The Big Ragu doesn't have enough time to list them all.

    An entity of ours was invested in ESL and we got out probably close to 10 years ago. When the getting was still good. His involvement with Sears was about the loans back to ESL, the real estate, the bankruptcies. Oh, and when you went to get out of the fund, he could also saddle you with some stock from the ESL portfolio. We were given some AutoNation stock that mysteriously happened to tank in the weeks after it was distributed.
     
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  9. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    Although, hmm, you could house a lot of people in those stores across the country. Hmm.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You risk getting hit with delinquency fees, if you do that. Plus, if they gave you a zero percent financing incentive or some other incentive, the terms may make it so you lose your benefit. And you are going to ding your credit score.
     
  11. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    Nah. Not in those cases. Not worth it.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I can't speak for Eddie Lampert, nor would I want to. But I suspect he did the most simplistic of calculations, and thought the real estate made it so that he was getting Sears for less than nothing. While discounting the risk too much. It would be why he was never interested in the actual stores or trying to make them viable. The REIT they spun off did very well, but like a lot of people, he didn't see malls going to pot quite as fast as they did.

    FYI, if you are a child of the 80s, and you ever want to depress yourself, check out this site: DeadMalls.com
     
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