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Romney a Lock - You Can Put it On the Board YESSSS!!

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 5, 2012.

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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I never said I was saying something profound.

    I thought I was stating the obvious.

    The posts I was responding to which didn't seem to understand the obvious are why I posted it.
     
    The Big Ragu, Apr 24, 2012
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  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    That is the opinion of you and other Wall Street vultures. Collectively bargained contracts state otherwise. Typically such written agreements are viewed rather favorably by your class. Not in this case, however.

    It is curious.
     
    LongTimeListener, Apr 24, 2012
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  3. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    When the Far Right seriously overreaches . . . (the Gilded Age -- hi, Teddy! . . . the 20s) . . . there's a reaction. Sometimes, the reaction isn't so desirable (Wilson), but it puts at least a temporary halt to the McKinley-calibre elbowing at the trough. The GOP didn't smell the White House for two decades after Hoover (decent and educated, but oblivious) got his head bashed in. Broad swaths of the population don't much like how the deck's being shuffled, now, and will crawl over ground glass to see that the Far Right doesn't get a significant near-term chance to stack the SCOTUS for the foreseeable.
     
    Ben_Hecht, Apr 24, 2012
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  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Collective bargaining negotiates LABOR contracts. It doesn't make employees owners. Or give employees a debt obligation in a company.

    Jeez.

    What you said about bond holders standing before employees when it comes to claims on companies that got me to respond. ... well, yeah. You can call people vultures all you want, but that is economic liberty MOST people understand. And are thankful for. If you own a house, a guy you hire to trim your hedges doesn't suddenly command a stake in your house. You hired him to do a job. That is the nature of a labor contract.
     
    The Big Ragu, Apr 24, 2012
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  5. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Would somebody please send up a flare when this thread returns to the Obama/Romney race? Thanks!
     
    TigerVols, Apr 24, 2012
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  6. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    In this analogy, I would have agreed in writing to pay him a little less now and pay for his retirement. It may not have been the best idea on my part in hindsight, but it is an agreement I entered into willingly. And if I neglected to pay it, the hedge-trimmer could sue me to high heaven.

    There is no reason bondholders deserve more consideration than employees with contractual agreements. None. Except that the ruling class is made up of bondholders.
     
    LongTimeListener, Apr 24, 2012
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    No. A bond is a FINANCIAL OBLIGATION. It is governed by law. Bondholders have legal rights. Issuers have obligations. Your "ruling class" nonsense doesn't dictate that economic reality. The fact that bondholders PUT MONEY UP IN RETURN FOR A PROMISED FINANCIAL RETURN does. Jeez.

    In your world, nobody would lend anyone money, because there would be no terms dictating repayment. Random people you like better would have more claim on the lender's assets if they reneged on the debt than the actual people who LENT THE MONEY.

    This is frustrating.
     
    The Big Ragu, Apr 24, 2012
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  8. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Two wrongs make a right?
     
    RickStain, Apr 24, 2012
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  9. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    It must be especially frustrating to see that the lending and financial world has not shut down in response to the bondholders' plight in the GM case, Chicken Little.
     
    LongTimeListener, Apr 24, 2012
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  10. Stitch

    Stitch Active Member

    Should employees do more than the minimum?
     
    Stitch, Apr 24, 2012
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  11. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    OK, back to the Rombama campaign (or Oromney?). Looks like Senate Democrats are going to make everyone pick sides on immigration with their plan to force vote on an anti-SB1070 measure if the U.S. Supreme Court upholds Arizona's papers-please law.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-plan-bill-to-undo-arizona-immigration-law-if-it-is-upheld-by-court/2012/04/23/gIQAJ4V7cT_story.html

    While I'm sure there are Senators who have moral and philosophical objections to SB1070, no doubt this is an attempt to court Latino voters by pointing out Republicans' inevitable vote against an anti-SB1070 law.

    Interestingly, this is happening as Mexicans are streaming OUT of the United States, not in.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/for-first-time-since-depression-more-mexicans-leave-us-than-enter/2012/04/23/gIQApyiDdT_story.html
     
    Bob Cook, Apr 24, 2012
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  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Hell no.
     
    RickStain, Apr 24, 2012
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