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Romney a Lock - You Can Put it On the Board YESSSS!!

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 5, 2012.

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  1. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    “Someone calculated that the taxes he [Obama] would raise in his Buffett Rule would pay for 11 hours of government.”
    / Mitt Romney
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Cran, Our economy is teetering, not strong due to some nebulous 2008 spending bill that did nothing but add $800 million more debt for pork spending onto what is now a $15.5 trillion debt load. And our monetary policy, which has been more of the tool employed to try to deal with the monkeys dribbling a football has been even more disastrous.

    Watch the FOMC today. They have already been announcing that they are going to keep rates artiificially low for the next 2 years! You don't do that when you are in a recovery, or confident that what you have been doing is having any effect. It's desperation. On top of the fact that they have, in an unprecedented manner, brought the Fed's balance sheet to billions of dollars beyond anything ever imagined before. And then with all the other measures -- the quantitative easing, which is what you do to print money to inflate away your debt when rates are already at zero and you can no longer go with that feckless maneuver -- it's beyond desperation. They are doing drastic things, with long term consequences (including the fiscal policy you touted) and our economy really sucks right now. It is sitting precariously.

    Our economy is already showing signs of stalling again, typically does stall heading into the summer months, and has the problem that several of our closest European friends are already sitting in brand new recessions, which tend to spread like a virus.

    Ben Bernake and Barrack Obama are deathly afraid of it and know they are at the whim of forces they can't control. They can paint it as rosy as possible, but as Europe further drags us down, it is a fait accompli. The only question from a political standpoint is if they can delay the inevitable past November.
     
  3. RalphWaldoHenderson

    RalphWaldoHenderson New Member

    Excuse me if I take with a grain of salt the prediction of financial types who missed the 2008 collapse and generally just can't see the forest through the trees.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I don't quite grasp what you are trying to say.

    Germany's debt load is less than 100 percent of its GDP. It is a veritable bastion of fiscal integrity compared to the United States. Something unthought of before Bush the second started rolling up our debt into the trillions and Obama continued the game.

    Germany has NO problem borrowing and servicing its debt, let alone expanding its economy. It is growing its economy this year, and is forecast to double its growth next year.

    If you are trying to compare Germany to Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, or a host of other countries. ... there is no comparison. The bailouts that have extended the life of the Euro have come on Germany's dime -- a dime, by the way, that they are not willing to keep offering endlessly; political will has been low.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0425/germany-will-skip-recession-double-growth-next-ye.html
     
  5. Greenhorn

    Greenhorn Active Member

    GOP representatives have gone on record stating their platform for this year is the same as it was during GWB's time in office. That is not a good thing.

    Also, elections are also about Congress. This House of Reps might be one of the all-time worst.
     
  6. Zeke12

    Zeke12 Guest

    I don't know if you believe this to be true. But it is not.

    The human brain likes narratives. And a certain type of voter likes narrative -- but that type of voter ends up having a negligible effect.

    In reality, how Mitt Romney goes about winning, say, Virginia and how he would go about winning, say, Colorado, are entirely different things based on the demographics of those states, and really have nothing to do with each other. As is Iowa completely different from, say, North Carolina.

    Demographics are destiny. All that other shit is infotainment for the rubes. And you know that.
     
  7. britwrit

    britwrit Well-Known Member

    Than again, if banks had known for sure that their government wouldn't bail them out, they never would have given Greece the money in the first place. Thus, the Greek government would have meandered along - flat broke as usual but no broker - and not gotten itself into the crisis. Sure, they'd be out one useless German submarine but the people of Europe wouldn't have to endlessly chip in for them.

    Really, let the market act as it normally would. Bad credit risks don't get a lot of credit.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    If you are comparing 2008 to now, we are not in 2006 when few were predicting what was to come. We are at the point that Bear Stearns couldn't meet its obligations, at which point everyone had an inkling that something was up.

    If you are relying on politicians or central bankers, though, to see the forest through the trees, I will remind you that Ben Bernake said in May, 2007 that the growing number of mortgage defaults wouldn't hurt the U.S. economy.

    He is the fellow who still runs our central bank, doing all kinds of incomprehensible things without oversight to try to "manage" the current rocky waters. And a lot of the "our economy is doing fine," are regurgitations of his same old nonsense.

    He has one goal now. To get us through November without any meltdowns, so as not to influence the election. He doesn't have the tools in his toolbox to do that, so it is a crap shoot that will be dependent on a ton of forces that are unpredictable.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I know you and I have clashed on threads like this in the past. But what you wrote seems so self evident to me.
     
  10. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    I found that many "financial types" predicted collapse but few paid attention.

    If you changed to "economic types" I would agree.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    The Chicago Tribune CNN & Reuters report that Newt will drop out:

     
  12. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    FFS, it has been expanding its economy by lending to and forcing overpriced exports on the very countries it now condemns as fiscally profligate! That's my point. It didn't have a problem with fiscal profligacy when it was the beneficiary.

    Acting like Germany is the reluctant euro headmaster and that it isn't ROLLING in benefits from its involvement is asinine. Germans have felt the benefits for ages and now that they're feeling some of the blowback, they're acting like scalded cats.

    I didn't hear anyone complaining when Italians were buying Mercedes they couldn't afford or Greeks were buying tanks they couldn't afford. They were using German money to buy German goods, boosting the German economy. And the Germans want to act like they're not responsible?

    Then again, I would expect that sort of logic from the kinds of people who don't think banks bear any responsibility for the subprime crisis.
     
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