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Romney a Lock - You Can Put it On the Board YESSSS!!

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 5, 2012.

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  1. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Ron Paul:

    "Today the lack of understanding and respect for voluntary contracts has totally confused the issue that in a free society an individual can run his or her business as he or she chooses. The idea that a social do-gooder can legislate a system which forces industry to pay men and women by comparable worth standards boggles the mind and further destroys our competitiveness in a world economy.

    The concept of equal pay for equal work is not only an impossible task, it can only be accomplished with the total rejection of the idea of the voluntary contract. The idea that a businessman must hire anyone and is prevented from firing anyone for any reason he chooses, and in the name of rights, is a clear indication that the basic concept of a free society has been lost."

    http://www.ontheissues.org/News_Affirmative_Action.htm

    Peter Hoekstra, former GOP Congressman who ran for Senate:

    Will, you know, will repealing it be a priority? If you came back and said, you know, that’s really the thing that’s hurting my business the most. My guess is there are other things that we can do that have a higher priority in terms of what I, what I believe might need to be done. I think you know we need to create — that thing is a nuisance. It shouldn’t be the law.”

    Will, you know, will repealing it be a priority? If you came back and said, you know, that’s really the thing that’s hurting my business the most. My guess is there are other things that we can do that have a higher priority in terms of what I, what I believe might need to be done. I think you know we need to create — that thing is a nuisance. It shouldn’t be the law.”

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/14/michigan-republican-calls-equal-pay-for-women-a-nuisance-that-should-be-repealed-was-endorsed-by-mitt-romney-in-2010-video/
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Exactly as I said.
     
  3. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    "You could argue that money is more important for men. I think a guy in their first job, maybe because they expect to be a breadwinner someday, may be a little more money-conscious. To attribute everything to a so-called bias in the workplace is just not true.”

    Wisconsin state senator Glenn Grothman, one of Scott Walker's top allies and a major driver of the State's repeal of an equal pay law
     
  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Yes? He thinks there might be reasons other than bias for the difference in pay between men & women. Do you not believe this?

    He also thinks the legislation is not the answer to the problem. Maybe that's debatable, but it doesn't mean he's against the basic principle of equal pay.

    And, it doesn't dispute what I said.
     
  5. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

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  6. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    It does dispute it. Quite a bit. But your info sources have given out all btw little code words needed to dodge the issue.

    Better than the Romney campaign, though, which was on a conference call and answered the question with "Someone will get back to you." Strong position there.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Disagree.

    It's a very tough thing to legislate. It creates as many problems as it fixes. There are reasons beyond bias for the difference in pay.


    Yeah. That was terrible. I'm not sure if they didn't recognize the law by its name, or if they didn't have an answer.

    It would have been very easy to say, as I did, that they supported the basic concept, but had some problems with the specific legislation.
     
  8. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    You asked for one example. I provided two.

    In Paul's case, he said that an individual should be free to discriminate if they so choose. Which means, they should be free to discriminate against gender when they pay them.

    Hoekstra called it a "nuisance" because it can hurt businesses.
     
  9. Crash

    Crash Active Member

    What elected official is going to come and say flatly that they're against equal pay? No one.

    Instead, they'll just vote against legislation making it easier to sue for pay discrimination, and then vote against other legislation that updates a long-established law that helps prevent pay discrimination.

    Maybe they don't oppose equal pay, but they sure as hell oppose trying to do something about it.
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Paul is a Libertarian, which while he (usually) runs under the Republican banner, is a philosophy all it's own.

    But, while he is against all kinds of legislation, it doesn't mean he is in favor of discrimination or bias. It doesn't mean he's against equal pay. It means he doesn't believe government should try to fix the problem.

    It's a consistent belief of his n all manner of issues.

    And, Hoekstra thinks the "nuisance" factor is an issue. It is. Especially since the law is unlikely to fix the problem, but the nuisances are assured.

    Again, you're confusing being against legislation, with being against the concept of equal pay. You said Republicans/Conservatives were against equal pay. Every quote you give me shows their opposition to legislation, not equal pay.
     
  11. Magic In The Night

    Magic In The Night Active Member

    Sigh. Corporations don't just give things out without being required to do so by THE GOVERNMENT. So they're never giving equal pay unless required to. Paul knows this. Romney knows this. Everyone knows this. And for Mr. Hoekstra, who I'll be happy to cast my vote against later this year, it's good to know that women's equal pay is a "nuisance" to you. Your campaign is a nuisance to me.
     
  12. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

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    It's easy to say you're for equal pay. And it's meaningless when you pass up every opportunity to make a change in that direction.
     
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