Ron Borges - Plagiarist?

If you're getting the information from anywhere else, you need to attribute it.

I hope I never work with you hh. I could never trust you and I'd spend hours trying to make sure you hadn't stolen stuff.

 

Like screennames.

 

getting the information from somewhere else? generic information - like statistics? career chronology? opinions - like "oden is certain to go in the first round" - whoa - there's a "proprietary" opinion - and if you write that sportschick you better attribute henryhecht - the point being that nobody owns an opinion -

can you be any more vague?

and hey sportschick, some people seem to think that if you change the wording you're okay. but you say no, if you take "information" you're a plagiarist if you don't attribute.
so you are at odds with a popular (though idiotic) definition.

borges technically "plagiarized" - but if he had changed two words would it have been? because the information was generic horseshit - could have come from anywhere - no way sando gets credit with "originating" that information - it didn't belong to anybody

 

For somebody who likes to rag on other people's opinions, how is it you have so many questions about the very concept we're discussing? Over and over you express that you need more direction on defining what is or is not journalism, yet you have no trouble popping off.

Take some journalism 101 classes and sit around in a semicircle in the classroom to debate the topic. Ask all of these same questions and demonstrate the same poor grasp of the concepts. Then see how long it takes for the professor to tell you to explore another line of work.

 

I am convinced we are being played for entertainment purposes. I am out of this thread. See ya!

 

Ditto

 

This has spun off in 30 directions (yup, i just killed 18 minutes reading it all) and it's really very simple:

This guy blatantly lifted tons of shit, plopped it into his 'column' and thought nothing of it. TWICE (or perhaps more, who knows).

If you're on the desk, does this mean everynight you need to pull out two sentence chucks of his work, punch it into google, and see if it's been used before?

 

As a desker, I\'d feel compelled to.

 

Hey Blondie! Do you know what you are? You are a stinking son of a....(theme music up from 'The Good Bad and the Ugly')

i hate ad hominem attacks when we should be sticking to the merits - but blondie, you are unable to discuss the merits of this beyond the vague generality you call "grasp of the concept".

can you get beyond grasp of the concept? and tell me what plagiarism is or isn't. what does it take to avoid it? changing one word? two words? an adjective? inverting a clause? i'd like to know and so would a gazillion other writers so they can avoid your draconian judgments.

and by the way, tell me how i can lay claim to facts - like somebody's career stats, or chronology of performances - so that whenever somebody else writes those facts they have to attribute me.

Hey Blondie. Do you know what you are?

 

Some college know-it-all has weighed in. He did such a poor job, I almost sympathize with Borges:

http://media.www.dailycollegian.com/media/storage/paper874/news/2007/03/16/EditorialOpinion/Plagiarism.In.Journalism-2777803.shtml

 

henry,

What makes blondie's post an ad hominem attack? Do you need a definition of that as well?

 

Yeah, we're at that point. Either Henry is oblivious, or he's kidding. In either case, further discussion is pointless. Bye.