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Running 2010 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Rumpleforeskin, Mar 18, 2010.

  1. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Come on now. No way those arenas are close to 3/4 empty. It's more like 9/10.
     
  2. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member


    Here's one question they should have asked:

    "Hey, Ferret-Face . . . why do you (so obviously) teach the kind of chippy, grab-ass defensive tactics that would make even a career abuser like John
    Thompson II blush?

    "Take your time . . . 'coach' . . . "
     
  3. fishhack2009

    fishhack2009 Active Member

    I wondered about that too ... only thing I come up with is that Duke was hoping for a scrum for the rebound that would have eaten up the remaining 3.6 seconds... but you're right, Zag, there were too many other things that could have gone wrong.

    I would have loved to hear Coach K explain THAT one had Hayward's desperation shot gone in.

    And ... food for thought ... buy or sell Coach K's denial of interest in the Nets job? What else is there for him to prove at this level, save Knight's all-time win record?
     
  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    1. I'd faint dead away if K left for the Nets or any other NBA job. He knows better, and his ego couldn't take the demotion. An NBA coach can't win unless he's outranked by his players, because he's got top have stars. At Duke, K rules. In an NBA setup, he's a well-paid middle manager.
    2. To me, the most interesting thing about Butler is that its players were ALL local, that is, from Indiana or Kentucky. That speaks of a program that knows what it's doing, and it also is a method maybe more schools should think about copying if they're lucky enough to be set in a basketball nexus. I have no trouble with Duke kids coming from all over, since that's pretty much the pattern for their student body, too, especially the Jersey contingent.
     
  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    One more thing just for the fun of stirring an argument. Trying to sleep the other night, I tried to list national champions by memory and arrange them by conference. The ACC has four schools with titles, Duke, UNC, N.C. State and Maryland. The Big East has seven. BUT, three of those schools won their titles before they joined the conference, Marquette, Louisville, and Cincinnati. That leaves Villanova, Syracuse, Georgetown and UConn, and, I think, a very appropriate tie.
     
  6. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    But those four ACC schools have 12 titles among them, while those four Big East schools only have five. I'm not sure I'd call that a tie. Even adding in the titles of Marquette, Louisville and Cincinnati you still have more championships in the ACC.

    Edit: Oh, and by the measure of how many schools have won titles as conference members, the Big Ten is equal (Indiana, Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan).
     
  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    My mistake, frantic, for not listing Big Ten, which I knew had four. AND, if you're going to rank conferences by number of titles, the Pac-10, for obvious reasons, is in the lead with 13.
     
  8. trifectarich

    trifectarich Well-Known Member

    Well, yeah, it's great if you're courtside. Go ask those people sitting two rows from the top of the stadium; probably not so outstanding.
     
  9. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    "Has become?"

    They've already been. For a couple of decades now.
     
  10. I had this conversation the other night with some people, or something along these lines. It was a debate about whether Brad Stevens should stay or strike while the iron is hot. The consensus at the rest of the table was that Butler is about to go on some wild decade-long run that he needed to stay there to do. My argument was that the chance was better than not that he would never, ever, ever get back this far at Butler. They thought I was nuts, that it was a foregone conclusion that they would be a perennial Final Four team under him.

    Fan enthusiasm vs. sports writer realism, I guess.
     
  11. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Thinking about Butler's last shot, I thought of another Hoosiers reference that's usually unnoticed.

    When Ollie hits the game-winning free throws, the team starts celebrating. Meanwhile Terhune (or whatever opponent it was) launches a half-court shot that bounces off the rim.

    I've always thought it funny how they shot that scene, and the guy, on a throwaway shot, nearly made it.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Storied programs, such as Kentucky are not perennial Final Four teams (haven't made it in the last 12 years). Not even Duke (6 years before this) counts on being there. It's too difficult. The question is whether he has built a competitive program--out of the Horizon league--that can stay at an elite level for years to come. The first thing to consider is that while Stevens gets paid fairly well by Butler, if one of the traditional powers gets interested in him, he will likely be able to increase his salary by a half to two thirds and possibly even double it or more. That will make anyone stop and think. Secondly, to stay that competitive, out of the Horizon, he is always going to be fighting a recruiting battle. As much of a profile as Butler has created for itself, it still isn't a destination school, and likely won't ever be. Indiana, Purdue and a few schools from neighboring states are still going to get first crack at a lot of the best local players. The flip side to that is that Indiana apparently produces a lot of talent that is just below the radar screens of those schools and Butler has shown a talent for plucking those guys, who then turn into pretty good players. Stevens also does a bit of what the best smaller conference schools do; picking off transfers from bigger conferences who went for a year or two and didn't like their situations. There's something to be said for the life he has. He earns well and as well as he does, Butler is always going to be plenty happy with trips to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8, if he can sustain that, without for sale signs going on his lawn. But if he's like a lot of other coaches, he has to wonder what it would be like to be able to recruit without having to be so creative and lucky to find players he can mold to that level of play. In his case, I don't think the decision is clear cut. It's a matter of his goals. I'd guess he moves on, because coaches have egos. But the part about the perennial Final Fours is misguided. Carolina or Florida or UCLA or Kentucky don't count on that. Why would Butler fans?
     
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