Running 2011 Baseball Thread, Vol. I: Dedicated to spnited

outofplace · Aug 15, 2011

daman said:

At the onset of the year, I knew Jeter's 3,000 hits and Thome's 600 home runs were almost both for certain. Now eight have hit 600 homers, and half of them are dirty. Thome's 600 should be revered for days. It won't. That's too bad. But at least there won't be an O'Connor column tied to this one. That's good.
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This didn't get nearly enough attention. Given how rare it is and given that we know three of the seven players ahead of him on the list did it with chemical help, Thome just doesn't get enough credit.

The guy hit over 40 home runs in a season six times and over 50 once. It's not like all he has done is hit home runs, either. His .277 career batting average is nothing special, but the .403 on-base percentage is. Sure, he added on as a DH at the end of his career, but he didn't become primarily a DH until he was 35.

It still amazes me that there are posters on SportsJournalists.com who actually argue against him as a Hall of Famer.

MankyJimy · Aug 16, 2011

outofplace said:

daman said:

At the onset of the year, I knew Jeter's 3,000 hits and Thome's 600 home runs were almost both for certain. Now eight have hit 600 homers, and half of them are dirty. Thome's 600 should be revered for days. It won't. That's too bad. But at least there won't be an O'Connor column tied to this one. That's good.
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This didn't get nearly enough attention. Given how rare it is and given that we know three of the seven players ahead of him on the list did it with chemical help, Thome just doesn't get enough credit.

The guy hit over 40 home runs in a season six times and over 50 once. It's not like all he has done is hit home runs, either. His .277 career batting average is nothing special, but the .403 on-base percentage is. Sure, he added on as a DH at the end of his career, but he didn't become primarily a DH until he was 35.

It still amazes me that there are posters on SportsJournalists.com who actually argue against him as a Hall of Famer.
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We agree on that. Always been a fan of the Thomenator. And who argues against Thome? I'd like to have that argument. He is one of my favorite non-Yankees.

btm · Aug 16, 2011

Pirates spent $17 million in the draft. Eight million to Gerrit Cole and $5 million to second-round pick Josh Bell.

Bob Nutting takes a lot of shit (deservedly or not) for being cheap, but plunking down $13 million on two young guys in a day...wow.

UPChip · Aug 16, 2011

I watched Sportscenter this morning and realized that the Twins-Tigers game highlights were buried 25 minutes into the show behind at least three or four MLB games, the NASCAR race (which ended before 1 p.m.) and Jets-Texans preseason crap.

shockey · Aug 16, 2011

those who question thome's credentials are just looking to pick a fight/stir the pot. it's too bad that he's worn numerous uniforms; that's more and more of a reality but there's no question in my mind that multiple stops in a player's career is a negative in how they are perceived. it's also a hindrance when it comes to the excitement/build-up to landmark achievements, imo.

billikens · Aug 16, 2011

doubledown68 said:

If the Royals don't sign top pick Bubba Starling in the next six minutes I'm considering taking a dump in a box and mailing it to David Glass.
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Done with seconds remaining. I'm not sure who's the biggest winner here: Bubba, the Royals, Glass or the box.

Liut · Aug 16, 2011

billikens said:

doubledown68 said:

If the Royals don't sign top pick Bubba Starling in the next six minutes I'm considering taking a dump in a box and mailing it to David Glass.
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Done with seconds remaining. I'm not sure who's the biggest winner here: Bubba, the Royals, Glass or the box.
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Well played. Speaking of drawing flies, would liked to have been one on Pelini's wall when he got the word. Some Nebraska fans will probably mail Starling some dung.

Steak Snabler · Aug 16, 2011

btm said:

Pirates spent $17 million in the draft. Eight million to Gerrit Cole and $5 million to second-round pick Josh Bell.

Bob Nutting takes a lot of shit (deservedly or not) for being cheap, but plunking down $13 million on two young guys in a day...wow.
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Yeah, big ups to the Pirates for sure. That Bell actually signed — with anyone, not just Pittsburgh given that he had been saying all along he was going to Texas — has to be the stunner of the day.

doubledown68 · Aug 16, 2011

billikens said:

doubledown68 said:

If the Royals don't sign top pick Bubba Starling in the next six minutes I'm considering taking a dump in a box and mailing it to David Glass.
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Done with seconds remaining. I'm not sure who's the biggest winner here: Bubba, the Royals, Glass or the box.
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They're all winners. Boras wanted 10 million, Royals offered 7.5. Last I read, the Royals I think the Royals got closer to their number.

Honestly, this is something KC couldn't fuck up. Glad they didn't.

I'm only slightly -- SLIGHTLY -- less happy about Bubba giving the shaft to Nebraska. Because, and I mean this with the deepest sincerity, fuck Nebraska.

YankeeFan · Aug 16, 2011

Bad news for the Wilpons:

From the moment they were sued last year for $1 billion by the trustee for the victims of Bernard L. Madoff’s fraud, the owners of the Mets have fought every aspect of the enormous claim.

They rejected the trustee’s bid for what he called hundreds of millions in “fictitious profits,” dismissing his idea that they had been “net winners” over their decades of investing with Madoff.

They also derided the trustee’s bid to force them to pay back hundreds of millions more — the trustee claimed the owners had been willfully blind to evidence Madoff might have been a fraud — as a gross overreach that was backed by distorted or fabricated evidence.

On Tuesday, however, a federal appeals court in Manhattan appeared to settle a sizable chunk of the suit. Under its ruling, the team’s owners, Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz, could have to turn over at least $300 million to the trustee. It is a major financial setback for the owners who, faced with an unprofitable baseball operation, have already been forced to sell a portion of the team just to stop the bleeding of money.

The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, in a unanimous ruling by the three-judge panel, said the trustee’s central formula for deciding how to recoup and redistribute the money that had moved through Madoff’s vast Ponzi scheme was appropriate. The trustee, Irving H. Picard, had decided that investors who had taken more money out of their accounts with Madoff than they had put in had to return their “net winnings.”

It was that calculation that led Picard to make the $300 million claim against Wilpon and Katz. He had charged that scores of the accounts the men, their families and businesses had with Madoff had wound up “net winners” over the years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/sports/baseball/madoff-decision-is-significant-setback-for-owners-of-mets.html?pagewanted=all
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Steak Snabler · Aug 16, 2011

YankeeFan said:

Bad news for the Wilpons:

From the moment they were sued last year for $1 billion by the trustee for the victims of Bernard L. Madoff’s fraud, the owners of the Mets have fought every aspect of the enormous claim.

They rejected the trustee’s bid for what he called hundreds of millions in “fictitious profits,” dismissing his idea that they had been “net winners” over their decades of investing with Madoff.

They also derided the trustee’s bid to force them to pay back hundreds of millions more — the trustee claimed the owners had been willfully blind to evidence Madoff might have been a fraud — as a gross overreach that was backed by distorted or fabricated evidence.

On Tuesday, however, a federal appeals court in Manhattan appeared to settle a sizable chunk of the suit. Under its ruling, the team’s owners, Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz, could have to turn over at least $300 million to the trustee. It is a major financial setback for the owners who, faced with an unprofitable baseball operation, have already been forced to sell a portion of the team just to stop the bleeding of money.

The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, in a unanimous ruling by the three-judge panel, said the trustee’s central formula for deciding how to recoup and redistribute the money that had moved through Madoff’s vast Ponzi scheme was appropriate. The trustee, Irving H. Picard, had decided that investors who had taken more money out of their accounts with Madoff than they had put in had to return their “net winnings.”

It was that calculation that led Picard to make the $300 million claim against Wilpon and Katz. He had charged that scores of the accounts the men, their families and businesses had with Madoff had wound up “net winners” over the years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/sports/baseball/madoff-decision-is-significant-setback-for-owners-of-mets.html?pagewanted=all
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Nice job of burying the lede in the fourth graph ...

YankeeFan · Aug 16, 2011

Robbie Cano fouls off 7 straight pitches and then drills an HR to deep CF on the 12th pitch of the at bat.

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