Running bowl thread

txsportsscribe · Dec 8, 2009

Frylock said:

When it comes to Oregon/Boise State, yes the Broncos won in the first game of the season. They would lose today, in my opinion. Oregon is a significantly different (and better) team on both sides of the ball than it was then.
I have no reason to believe the same about BSU.
But even if the Broncos would win in a rematch, it would have nothing to do with the first outcome.
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oh gawd, not this again

2muchcoffeeman · Dec 8, 2009

zagoshe said:

2muchcoffeeman said:

zagoshe said:

2muchcoffeeman said:

zagoshe said:

Neither Kentucky and Mississippi State would go undefeated in the WAC, nor would South Carolina.
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In the WAC? Yes they would. In the Mountain West? No.
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No they wouldn't.

Prove it.

Oh that's right, you can't.

Which is why the BCS is bullshit and why this whole ridiculous notion that TCU and Cincy didn't earn a trip to the national title game but Alabama did is just a plain fraud.
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Sixteen-team (minimum) playoff and no bowls, then?
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I'd be OK with that, hell if you want to expand it to 24 and give byes, I'd be OK with that, too.

But this shit has to end because it is silly.
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I've drawn up the seeds (hell, the regions, too) but have nothing to play it off on. Oh, well.

In the meantime ... have a beer and relax!

deskslave · Dec 8, 2009

That Winter Lager's good shit. Hopefully we can all agree on this.

Do you all realize, by the way, that this argument has forced me to be allied with AQB?! Weird world we live in.

George Bush still sucks, though.

(Oh, and NCAA 01, I think it was, actually had gave a choice when you started a dynasty of a playoff or playing the bowls. That choice has disappeared from subsequent versions.)

Mystery Meat II · Dec 8, 2009

Oz said:

Mystery Meat II said:

I was asking for realistic better scenarios. Fiesta taking Cincy over Boise was not realistic. And it's not risky when you can sell it as a battle between two unbeatens, one of whom showed up in force three years ago, the other primed for their first BCS game.

Once it was established that nobody wanted Cincinnati, all realistic scenarios had one of both teams taking on Iowa/Georgia Tech and would have the mid-major zealots here to rage. It would have been the equivalent of Utah/Pitt in the Fiesta that time.

And yes, ticket sales matter because that's a component in how teams get chosen. If it was simply on-field performance, why would the only BCS unbeaten available not be taken first? Why would Iowa, the weakest team of the lot, taken over anyone?

Obviously the Fiesta didn't want any part of TCU-Cincinnati, and they had no incentive to hurt their bowl just to give people Florida-Boise in the Sugar, which had its sellout confirmed the minute it took Florida as its first team.
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Not sure why TCU-Cincy wouldn't be realistic. It was either TCU-Cincy or TCU-Boise State. TCU was a no-brainer with it going to its first BCS game. Boise State makes it dicey because it's a re-run from two other bowl games this decade.
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It's pretty telling that the Fiesta would rather have a rematch between mid-majors than a game involving a BCS unbeaten, isn't it? TCU-Cincinnati might have been a slightly more interesting matchup, and I'm not completely sold on that, but even if it is, clearly that's counteracted by Cincy's lacking sex appeal.

YGBFKM · Dec 8, 2009

Fiesta Bowl to Cincinnati: Baby you and me were never meant to be ...

zagoshe · Dec 8, 2009

Mystery Meat II said:

Oz said:

Mystery Meat II said:

I was asking for realistic better scenarios. Fiesta taking Cincy over Boise was not realistic. And it's not risky when you can sell it as a battle between two unbeatens, one of whom showed up in force three years ago, the other primed for their first BCS game.

Once it was established that nobody wanted Cincinnati, all realistic scenarios had one of both teams taking on Iowa/Georgia Tech and would have the mid-major zealots here to rage. It would have been the equivalent of Utah/Pitt in the Fiesta that time.

And yes, ticket sales matter because that's a component in how teams get chosen. If it was simply on-field performance, why would the only BCS unbeaten available not be taken first? Why would Iowa, the weakest team of the lot, taken over anyone?

Obviously the Fiesta didn't want any part of TCU-Cincinnati, and they had no incentive to hurt their bowl just to give people Florida-Boise in the Sugar, which had its sellout confirmed the minute it took Florida as its first team.
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Not sure why TCU-Cincy wouldn't be realistic. It was either TCU-Cincy or TCU-Boise State. TCU was a no-brainer with it going to its first BCS game. Boise State makes it dicey because it's a re-run from two other bowl games this decade.
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It's pretty telling that the Fiesta would rather have a rematch between mid-majors than a game involving a BCS unbeaten, isn't it? TCU-Cincinnati might have been a slightly more interesting matchup, and I'm not completely sold on that, but even if it is, clearly that's counteracted by Cincy's lacking sex appeal.
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I would think that the thought of Brian Kelly perhaps not being around to coach the bowl game may have played a little bit into it

Mystery Meat II · Dec 8, 2009

zagoshe said:

Mystery Meat II said:

Oz said:

Mystery Meat II said:

I was asking for realistic better scenarios. Fiesta taking Cincy over Boise was not realistic. And it's not risky when you can sell it as a battle between two unbeatens, one of whom showed up in force three years ago, the other primed for their first BCS game.

Once it was established that nobody wanted Cincinnati, all realistic scenarios had one of both teams taking on Iowa/Georgia Tech and would have the mid-major zealots here to rage. It would have been the equivalent of Utah/Pitt in the Fiesta that time.

And yes, ticket sales matter because that's a component in how teams get chosen. If it was simply on-field performance, why would the only BCS unbeaten available not be taken first? Why would Iowa, the weakest team of the lot, taken over anyone?

Obviously the Fiesta didn't want any part of TCU-Cincinnati, and they had no incentive to hurt their bowl just to give people Florida-Boise in the Sugar, which had its sellout confirmed the minute it took Florida as its first team.
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Not sure why TCU-Cincy wouldn't be realistic. It was either TCU-Cincy or TCU-Boise State. TCU was a no-brainer with it going to its first BCS game. Boise State makes it dicey because it's a re-run from two other bowl games this decade.
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It's pretty telling that the Fiesta would rather have a rematch between mid-majors than a game involving a BCS unbeaten, isn't it? TCU-Cincinnati might have been a slightly more interesting matchup, and I'm not completely sold on that, but even if it is, clearly that's counteracted by Cincy's lacking sex appeal.
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I would think that the thought of Brian Kelly perhaps not being around to coach the bowl game may have played a little bit into it
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I could see that if he was definitely out the door, but right now he's just a candidate. Plus bowls care deeply ticket sales and TV ratings, which is why Iowa got in before Boise and Cincy. Cincy's desirability and fan base doesn't change with a new coach

zagoshe · Dec 8, 2009

Mystery Meat II said:

I could see that if he was definitely out the door, but right now he's just a candidate. Plus bowls care deeply ticket sales and TV ratings, which is why Iowa got in before Boise and Cincy. Cincy's desirability and fan base doesn't change with a new coach
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Unless it is a case where said coach is believed to be far more resonsible for the team's success than any player on the field. And bowl reps will tell you - they don't like teams who are in transition for a lot of reasons.

I'm not saying that is why TCU and Boise were selected ahead of Cincy but it could have been a factor.

Point of Order · Dec 9, 2009

I keep wondering when SportsJournalists.com is going to sponsor a bowl game. How big is the stadium in Tahoe?

amraeder · Dec 9, 2009

Am I the only one who really, really, really wishes he got to see a Cincinnati/Ohio State game?

Oz · Dec 9, 2009

amraeder said:

Am I the only one who really, really, really wishes he got to see a Cincinnati/Ohio State game?
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Nope. Myself, I would like to see TCU-Texas, too.

Songbird · Dec 9, 2009

i'd like to see boise-florida.

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