Running gun violence thread

I can't believe how far you've fallen.

 

It's not an absence of facts. We have witness accounts.

Would the world be a better place if belief in witness accounts went away? Absolutely. But they are still facts.

 

So, what? Brown was no his knees, with his hands up, and Wilson shot him four times in the arms before deciding to finish him off?

 

Well, I fail geometry. I meant parallel, of course. Running with your torso at a 90-degree angle to the ground is pretty much the default.

 

The name Darren Wilson was reported locally but the national press, unable to confirm, did not run with it.

Chris Hayes has done interviews with witnesses, and as best as I can tell, before the cops have interviewed them.

But that's an interesting trick you've pulled off.

You complain about the reporters being stenographers but also also complain about the reporters, you know, reporting.

 

Yeah, I decided to respond to you before Dick, but this is absurd on Dick's part.

The decision is to use deadly force.

We see how often shots fired miss there targets. Hitting an arm or a leg -- especially on a moving target -- would be nearly impossible, and not effective.

 

We don't know the number of shots fired. It's possible Brown had his hands in the air when the first shot was fired, he covered up and then was hit by subsequent shots.

And earlier you said you aim for the head, that's not true. With a handgun, you aim center mass - belly button to sternum.

 

Chest and head.

Shot with a Federal Air Marshall. He was formerly a MP and a DEA Agent, who was a shooting instructor.

Two to the chest, one to the head. A chest shot might not stop someone, and you have to assume body armor or something else might prevent a chest shot from being effective.

 

OK, I concede this point.

If you are going to shoot, you shoot to kill.

 

The old 2+1 is a good range drill. Instructors teach it, but they'll also tell you to focus on center mass. Much less likely to miss a torso than a skull.

 

This thread brought to you by "There is literally nothing, despite multiple investigations and reports that could ever convince me I'm not being lied to about Benghazi, but in this Ferguson situation, I am going to give the local yokel cops every benefit of doubt as we sort through these "facts" that journalists are doing such a poor job providing because #blackguy."

 

And then we get this:

The truth will not be enough if it finds the shooting was justified.

An independent investigation is not enough.

Only an arrest, and charges will be enough.

And, if that happens, like with the Trayvon Martin case, then the goalposts will be moved. Only a conviction will be enough to satisfy the mob.