Running NCAA Basketball Thread 2014-15

da man · Dec 10, 2014

Flip Wilson said:

da man said:

Oh, yeah, the assistant who resigned? "Excessive number of texts" was just the beginning. Among them were threatening texts to a hot prospect from Colombia that said Baylor could have him deported if he went elsewhere:

Morefield also sent a text to LaLumiere coach Alan Huss, which was obtained by FOXSports.com, saying that if Perea didn’t go to Baylor, he wouldn’t be back in the United States.

"I guarantee u if he does [commit to another school] he will be in Colombia for the spring and summer and next year. Don’t forget it,” the text said.
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The excessive number of texts thing...yeah, the assistant sent more texts than permissible, but the actual number of texts sent was something less than half a percent of the total number of texts sent during the recruiting period. That's just nicpickey, and that rule was eventually changed because a lot of coaches were busted for the same thing.

And that's the extent of the cheating that you can pin on Drew? That's not even a blip.
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Calipari thinks Drew is sleazy.

heyabbott · Dec 10, 2014

Kentucky v Columbia tonight.

Thats all right, thats OK, We'll invest your money some day

dreunc1542 · Dec 10, 2014

Either Maodo Lo scores 40 or Kentucky wins by 40. Columbia could have been decent this year if Alex Rosenberg didn't go down with an injury before the start of the year.

Flip Wilson · Dec 10, 2014

franticscribe said:

Flip Wilson said:

da man said:

Here are a couple examples I don't have to search for.

Jake_Taylor said:

Flip Wilson said:

da man said:

Blitz said:

Baylor again looks big and tough. How does Scott Drew keep the pipeline running through Waco? He always seems to have a talented group.
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He cheats his ass off.

Next question.
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This has been mentioned on here before, but nobody has ever proven that he cheats. He may be a cheesy bastard who can't give a good quote to save his life, but nobody has ever said how he cheats or given any specifics.

Next generality.
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He's a good recruiter, but almost every coach in the country would say he's a dirty recruiter. That doesn't necessarily mean he breaks NCAA rules, but he crosses lines most coaches find acceptable. I know he's been accused by more than one Big 12 staff of sending out packets to recruits with misinformation about other programs they were recruiting against. I think Rick Barnes got mad when he sent stuff to an academic-minded mother that included lies about Texas' graduation rates.

College basketball is funny. Pretty much every coach breaks the NCAA rules, but there's a code most of them adhere to, things that can and can't be done. If Drew ever gets fired there won't be many coaches lining up to hire him as an assistant, but he might get another head coaching job. It would be similar to Bruce Pearl, who was pretty much blackballed for years for breaking the unwritten rules.
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Here are a couple examples that I don't have to search for.

da man said:

This is pulled from a Seth Davis SI.com column:

"To be sure, Drew's restoration of Baylor basketball has not been completely smooth. In 2007, he irked his colleagues in the Big 12 by using negative recruiting tactics against Bob Knight and Billy Gillispie, who were then coaching at Texas Tech and Texas A&M, respectively. Drew ruffled more feathers in 2009 when he hired John Wall's former summer coach to be his director of basketball operations. (Drew didn't get Wall, but Miller and Bello came from the same AAU program.) A year ago, Baylor self-reported NCAA violations committed by an assistant coach, who sent a recruit an excessive number of text messages. (The assistant resigned over the summer.) Then came Perry Jones's suspension last February right before the Big 12 tournament, which decimated the Bears' chances of playing their way into the NCAAs."

At the very least, I'd say Drew is operating on the edge of the rules. Again, my guess is he's cheating.

BTW, as I recall, Jones' suspension had to do with improper benefits provided by an AAU coach while Jones was still in high school.

Oh, yeah, the assistant who resigned? "Excessive number of texts" was just the beginning. Among them were threatening texts to a hot prospect from Colombia that said Baylor could have him deported if he went elsewhere:

Morefield also sent a text to LaLumiere coach Alan Huss, which was obtained by FOXSports.com, saying that if Perea didn’t go to Baylor, he wouldn’t be back in the United States.

"I guarantee u if he does [commit to another school] he will be in Colombia for the spring and summer and next year. Don’t forget it,” the text said.

Stay classy, Bears!
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da man said:

Brian said:

Tennessee, Baylor tried to get D.J. cooper to transfer from Ohio after his freshman season, Cooper says.

Oh, Bruce Pearl, your sleaze reaches even past your expiration date.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/17892182/ohios-dj-cooper-said-tennessee-baylor-tried-to-get-him-to-transfer
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And absolutely stunning that Scott Drew would be involved.
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The excessive number of texts thing...yeah, the assistant sent more texts than permissible, but the actual number of texts sent was something less than half a percent of the total number of texts sent during the recruiting period. That's just nicpickey, and that rule was eventually changed because a lot of coaches were busted for the same thing.

And that's the extent of the cheating that you can pin on Drew? That's not even a blip.
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When he hired Dwon Clifton, who was one of the AAU coaches for John Wall and Quincy Miller, that's the first time I started to believe that perhaps there is some fire behind the Scott Drew-is-a-cheater smoke. Shockingly Clifton didn't stick around the coaching ranks. He's now an agent and reps Miller. The entire recruitment scene around John Wall was is shady as hell.
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FTFY

franticscribe · Dec 10, 2014

Flip Wilson said:

franticscribe said:

When he hired Dwon Clifton, who was one of the AAU coaches for John Wall and Quincy Miller, that's the first time I started to believe that perhaps there is some fire behind the Scott Drew-is-a-cheater smoke. Shockingly Clifton didn't stick around the coaching ranks. He's now an agent and reps Miller. The entire recruitment scene around John Wall was is shady as hell.
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FTFY
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While I generally agree with you, even when you're dealing with different shades of gray some are much darker than others.

If we agree that the whole thing is shady, then can we also agree that when several prominent programs choose not to recruit an extremely talented kid because of all the sketchiness around him, that it's a strong indication his mess is worse than most?

Jake_Taylor · Dec 10, 2014

I thought teams didn't recruit him because he sucks and shoots too much. [/crossthread]

Songbird · Dec 10, 2014

Columbia owning Kentucky.

Big Circus · Dec 10, 2014

Nebraska just lost to something called Incarnate Word.

jr/shotglass · Dec 10, 2014

Yup, the Big Ten is wrapping itself in glory this week. (At least Incarnate Word is a D-I program, believe it or not.)

Jake_Taylor · Dec 10, 2014

Nebraska was supposed to be pretty good too.

I know Michigan has lost a lot of talent the past couple of years, but I expected Beilein to 1.) have a pretty steady stream of decent players coming through and 2.) have a team that executes even if it doesn't have superior talent.

From what I've seen Michigan seems to have no post presence this year.

jr/shotglass · Dec 11, 2014

Penn State's the weakest, shakiest 9-1 you could ever imagine. Escaped Duquesne at the buzzer tonight.

franticscribe · Dec 15, 2014

Interesting story out of Raleigh yesterday where Wofford beat N.C. State by a point after the officiating crew reviewed a last second, game-winning Wolfpack shot and decided it came a split second too late.

The call was correct, but what intrigues me is that it was Karl Hess' first N.C. State game in nearly three years. The ACC apparently was keeping him away after he inexplicably ejected Tom Gugliotta and Chris Coricianni from an FSU-N.C. State game in 2012. I follow ACC basketball fairly close and had no idea the league had kept him away from State for that long.

And Hess called a strance tech on Mark Gottfried about 4 minutes into yesterday's game.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/12/14/4403876/an-eventful-return-to-nc-state.html

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