Running NFL Conference Championships Thread

Freelance Hack · Jan 19, 2009

Junkie said:

Oz said:

Junkie said:

There is no more over-rated stat than "led game-winning drives." First, most NFL games are close, therefore, most have a game-winning drive. Second, as the Cards-Eagles game showed, game-winning drives are often against prevent defenses, which are almost designed to allow game-winning drives.

Not to discount Evel's accomplishments, but that one is purely overblown.
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So John Elway's legendary status -- which is based heavily on his ability to lead comeback wins -- is purely overblown?
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Elway is best known for a wildly over-rated drive that came against a team that was barely trying to stop him. He did far more impressive things during his time in the league.
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The drive is wildly overrated? That's like saying Myles Brand has done wonders as NCAA president.

zagoshe · Jan 19, 2009

Junkie said:

It was against a prevent defense. Any quarterback who's ever played would have led that drive. He did nothing but complete passes underneath zone coverage to wide-open receivers, against no pass rush. The only remarkable thing Elway did on that drive -- which included three time-outs and the 2:00 warning -- was catch an errant shotgun snap.
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That is a little bit silly -- I mean -- why does every argument have to be such ridiculous extremes.

I'm sure if we broke down that drive there was more than one throw he made where it was a big-time throw under durress.

Was it worthy of all the hype it has received -- no probably not but Elway was far more than an onlooker on that drive.

93Devil · Jan 19, 2009

zagoshe said:

Junkie said:

It was against a prevent defense. Any quarterback who's ever played would have led that drive. He did nothing but complete passes underneath zone coverage to wide-open receivers, against no pass rush. The only remarkable thing Elway did on that drive -- which included three time-outs and the 2:00 warning -- was catch an errant shotgun snap.
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That is a little bit silly -- I mean -- why does every argument have to be such ridiculous extremes.
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Junkie, for Zag to make that statement, because he sometimes plays to the extreme, should mean something to you.

Unless, of course, you have been on this board before and already know this about Dr. Banner.

outofplace · Jan 19, 2009

93Devil said:

zagoshe said:

Junkie said:

It was against a prevent defense. Any quarterback who's ever played would have led that drive. He did nothing but complete passes underneath zone coverage to wide-open receivers, against no pass rush. The only remarkable thing Elway did on that drive -- which included three time-outs and the 2:00 warning -- was catch an errant shotgun snap.
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That is a little bit silly -- I mean -- why does every argument have to be such ridiculous extremes.
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Junkie, for Zag to make that statement, because he sometimes plays to the extreme, should mean something to you.

Unless, of course, you have been on this board before and already know this about Dr. Banner.
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Do not judge Junkie by his post total. He's been around this board a long time.

2muchcoffeeman · Jan 19, 2009

outofplace said:

93Devil said:

zagoshe said:

Junkie said:

It was against a prevent defense. Any quarterback who's ever played would have led that drive. He did nothing but complete passes underneath zone coverage to wide-open receivers, against no pass rush. The only remarkable thing Elway did on that drive -- which included three time-outs and the 2:00 warning -- was catch an errant shotgun snap.
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That is a little bit silly -- I mean -- why does every argument have to be such ridiculous extremes.
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Junkie, for Zag to make that statement, because he sometimes plays to the extreme, should mean something to you.

Unless, of course, you have been on this board before and already know this about Dr. Banner.
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Do not judge Junkie by his post total. He's been around this board a long time.
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Junkie: Master of the "delete post" function.

Simon_Cowbell · Jan 20, 2009

zagoshe said:

Junkie said:

It was against a prevent defense. Any quarterback who's ever played would have led that drive. He did nothing but complete passes underneath zone coverage to wide-open receivers, against no pass rush. The only remarkable thing Elway did on that drive -- which included three time-outs and the 2:00 warning -- was catch an errant shotgun snap.
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That is a little bit silly -- I mean -- why does every argument have to be such ridiculous extremes.

I'm sure if we broke down that drive there was more than one throw he made where it was a big-time throw under durress.

Was it worthy of all the hype it has received -- no probably not but Elway was far more than an onlooker on that drive.
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Jesus... I'll say.

Brookerton · Jan 20, 2009

kingcreole said:

imjustagirl said:

Brenda Warner is the only thing keeping me from becoming a fullblown Cards fan for two weeks.
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Fixed.
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Did Brenda Warner have breast cancer the last time Kurt went to the Super Bowl?

zagoshe · Jan 20, 2009

93Devil said:

zagoshe said:

Junkie said:

It was against a prevent defense. Any quarterback who's ever played would have led that drive. He did nothing but complete passes underneath zone coverage to wide-open receivers, against no pass rush. The only remarkable thing Elway did on that drive -- which included three time-outs and the 2:00 warning -- was catch an errant shotgun snap.
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That is a little bit silly -- I mean -- why does every argument have to be such ridiculous extremes.
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Junkie, for Zag to make that statement, because he sometimes plays to the extreme, should mean something to you.

Unless, of course, you have been on this board before and already know this about Dr. Banner.
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Me, play to the extremes in discussions? ???

Never......

OK, maybe once or twice.... ;D

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