Running NFL Preseason Thread

Pancamo · Mar 1, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

I don't remember Arian Foster doing very well at the combine either.
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Ran in the 4.75 range.

93Devil · Mar 1, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

Put it this way about Leaf...

Manning was the most NFL-ready QB coming out of the draft since Elway and there were some who thought Leaf was better.
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Since Elway and Marino.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 1, 2011

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93Devil said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Put it this way about Leaf...

Manning was the most NFL-ready QB coming out of the draft since Elway and there were some who thought Leaf was better.
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Since Elway and Marino.
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I was talking about guys on draft day.

Steak Snabler · Mar 1, 2011

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Michael_ Gee said:

People who judge football players on workout performance rather than game performance deserve what happens to them. If I recall correctly, Ryan Leaf tore it up in his predraft workouts.
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He also tore it up in the Pac-10 the previous year. He was no workout warrior. Just had a 10-cent head and a 1-cent heart.
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Is it the time of year that we speak of Mike Mamula? Spring must be on the way.
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And Vernon Gholston who will be released soon.
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To be fair, Mamula wasn't just a combine sensation. He was an excellent college defensive end, with 80 or so tackles and double-digit sacks in each of his last two years at BC. He also had a couple of pretty good years with the Eagles (8 sacks in 1996, 8 1/2 in 1999).

Sure, the combine sent expectations through the roof and the Bucs used the pick the Eagles traded them on Warren Sapp, but it's not like Mamula was a total bust. He wasn't Leaf or Trev Alberts or anything.

The guy had prototypical size (6-4, 250), was a very productive college player, then aced the combine and the Wonderlic. How could anyone have known he wouldn't live up to expectations?

93Devil · Mar 1, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

93Devil said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Put it this way about Leaf...

Manning was the most NFL-ready QB coming out of the draft since Elway and there were some who thought Leaf was better.
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Since Elway and Marino.
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I was talking about guys on draft day.
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I don't think Shula changed Marino that much at all. I think getting Marino alway from Foge Fazio was the real difference. That and the "pushing the ball" crap.

BTExpress · Mar 1, 2011

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I can understand missing on a guy's talent based on how he did in college. I can get the crapshoot that some of these combine workouts can be.

What I don't get is how a coaching staff can see a player for one full season and two full training camps and still declare on opening day . . . "Bledsoe's our guy." Or "Trent Green is our guy."

Wally Pippesque injuries gave two teams four Super Bowl victories and six Super Bowl appearances that the staffs' respective "genius" coaches arguably would have gotten zero out of if left to their own player evaluation capabilities.

Michael_ Gee · Mar 1, 2011

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Bledsoe was the best QB available in the 1993 draft, and the Pats took him with the first pick. He was a humongous upgrade on what they had, and he was the starter for eight seasons before he got hurt and Brady took over. So it's not like he was a BAD choice by the Pats.

Herbert Anchovy · Mar 1, 2011

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Matt Jones also tore it up at the combine.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/23/pick-six-biggest-workout-warriors-at-combine/

Herbert Anchovy · Mar 1, 2011

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http://www.aolnews.com/2009/02/23/stop-the-mike-mamula-misinformation/

Yes, it's 2009 -- 14 years after Mamula put on a show at the Combine -- and we're still hearing his name used as the shorthand for "guy who looks good in shorts and a t-shirt but isn't good at football." And that's a real shame, because it misrepresents both ends of Mamula's career: his combine performance wasn't the only reason he was the seventh overall pick of the Philadelphia Eagles in 1995, and his NFL career wasn't as bad as it's made out to be.

I wrote about the myth of Mike Mamula last year, and I think it bears repeating: Contrary to popular belief, he didn't shoot up draft boards at the Combine because he was already plenty high on draft boards before the Combine. And contrary to popular belief, Mamula (pictured sacking Kurt Warner) wasn't the biggest bust of the 1995 NFL draft.

Mamula wasn't just a good player at Boston College, he was a great player.
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cyclingwriter · Mar 1, 2011

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Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/02/23/stop-the-mike-mamula-misinformation/

Yes, it's 2009 -- 14 years after Mamula put on a show at the Combine -- and we're still hearing his name used as the shorthand for "guy who looks good in shorts and a t-shirt but isn't good at football." And that's a real shame, because it misrepresents both ends of Mamula's career: his combine performance wasn't the only reason he was the seventh overall pick of the Philadelphia Eagles in 1995, and his NFL career wasn't as bad as it's made out to be.

I wrote about the myth of Mike Mamula last year, and I think it bears repeating: Contrary to popular belief, he didn't shoot up draft boards at the Combine because he was already plenty high on draft boards before the Combine. And contrary to popular belief, Mamula (pictured sacking Kurt Warner) wasn't the biggest bust of the 1995 NFL draft.

Mamula wasn't just a good player at Boston College, he was a great player.
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If Mamula had been a third-round pick, he would have been considered a hero in Philly. He was doomed by his high draft status.

Same thing is semitrue of Mandarich. He actually ended up a decent starter for the Colts, but since he was surrounded by HOF guys in 1989, he is considered a bust.

BTExpress · Mar 1, 2011

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Bledsoe was the best QB available in the 1993 draft, and the Pats took him with the first pick. He was a humongous upgrade on what they had, and he was the starter for eight seasons before he got hurt and Brady took over. So it's not like he was a BAD choice by the Pats.
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That wasn't my point.

My point was the coaching staffs of the Patriots and Rams had Hall of Fame-talent QBs whom they saw for two full training camps and one full season . . . and at the beginning of each player's second season the coaches STILL didn't think they were good enough to start over what they had.

What were those coaches seeing ---- or not seeing ---- that blinded them to these QBs' ability, which became evident to the rest of the world almost immediately once these players finally started a game?

93Devil · Mar 1, 2011

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BTExpress said:

Bledsoe was the best QB available in the 1993 draft, and the Pats took him with the first pick. He was a humongous upgrade on what they had, and he was the starter for eight seasons before he got hurt and Brady took over. So it's not like he was a BAD choice by the Pats.
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That wasn't my point.

My point was the coaching staffs of the Patriots and Rams had Hall of Fame-talent QBs whom they saw for two full training camps and one full season . . . and at the beginning of each player's second season the coaches STILL didn't think they were good enough to start over what they had.

What were those coaches seeing ---- or not seeing ---- that blinded them to these QBs' ability, which became evident to the rest of the world almost immediately once these players finally started a game?
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You don't practice on national tv and in front of 65,000 fans.

Some people just step up when there is more pressure.

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