Running NFL Preseason Thread

Guy_Incognito · Mar 3, 2011

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Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Vinny Testaverde.
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Fair enough.

Beaker · Mar 3, 2011

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Both Jim Trotter and Jason La Canfora are reporting that the deadline could be extended:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/03/03/labor/index.html?eref=BrkNews

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e95bf8/article/league-set-to-bring-more-financial-data-to-negotiating-table?module=HP_cp2

qtlaw · Mar 3, 2011

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An extension would be the strongest indication that the two sides are really trying to get something done and not just going through the motions. The threat of a lockout is good leverage but the players' threat of decertification and anti-trust action is a real trump card. The NFL faces very real anti-trust liability as shown in that clothing case that the Supreme Court recently decided.

I think the owners are realizing that Smith is different than Upshaw, and more importantly is acting like a well-prepared attorney.

An extension may help, their presenting more financial information helps. In the end, I predict the owners get a little of the billion they were asking for, but the players get more protections on $$ (more financial disclosures in future) and the owners get the rookie salary scale (NBA style) and the 18 games.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 3, 2011

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Nobody misses Upshaw more than the owners.

LevinTBlack · Mar 3, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

Smith looks good at times, but it almost always comes in the third or fourth quarter when the game has already been decided.

I would like the Niners to expose Smith to Harbaugh for a year before they get rid of him. Maybe Harbaugh can make chicken salad from chicken shit.

Smith was coached by Mike McCarthy. Mike Martz and Norv Turner, so it's not like he had village idiots as OCs for his entire time in SF, but that was the case the last two seasons.
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Here's the thing though, he got one year with each of them. Urban Meyer (his college coach) said during the draft that whoever takes Smith needs to give him consistency in the offense. He said that Alex didn't become a good QB at Utah until he knew the playbook inside and out and became confident in it. Meyer said that Alex was hestitent and not confident until he knew the playbook.

The 49ers have done the exact opposite of what they should have done. McCarthy and Turner aren't the teams fault. They hired good OC's and they got hired away to be a head coach. They then kept a guy for continuity to run Turner's system and he was awful and replaced by season end. They then hired Martz which was a dumb hire. Smith is not a deep ball thrower. He can do it but he's not the gunslinger Martz needs. Finally they bring in Jimmy Raye. A guy whose idea for an offense was stuck in the 1980's and it showed.

Not giving Smith a pass. He should have shown more promise but he has shown in short stretches the ability to be good. It has always come when his confidence his high or he has no reason to worry (late in games when down big). I think that with Harbaugh, a nicer coach who doesn't berate, Smith has a decent chance of finally emerging. He will never, ever be great but he has shown flashes of being a very good QB. Harbaugh is the exact type of coach that works well with Smith in my opinion. Someone who knows offense and is good at building up his players confidence through positive reinforcement. It's no lock but I would say it is at least a 1/3 shot he turns it around under Harbaugh.

LevinTBlack · Mar 3, 2011

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qtlaw said:

An extension would be the strongest indication that the two sides are really trying to get something done and not just going through the motions. The threat of a lockout is good leverage but the players' threat of decertification and anti-trust action is a real trump card. The NFL faces very real anti-trust liability as shown in that clothing case that the Supreme Court recently decided.

I think the owners are realizing that Smith is different than Upshaw, and more importantly is acting like a well-prepared attorney.

An extension may help, their presenting more financial information helps. In the end, I predict the owners get a little of the billion they were asking for, but the players get more protections on $$ (more financial disclosures in future) and the owners get the rookie salary scale (NBA style) and the 18 games.
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Did you read my mind?

The only thing is I'm not sure they get both the rookie wage scale and the 18 games. We'll see. I've said from the beginning of the 18 game crap that players should demand a bump in all salaries to the ratio of two extra game checks. That is only fair. Owners get two extra game revenue, players get two extra game checks. It won't happen though.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 3, 2011

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I don't think the players would even fight a rookie cap. No rookie cap would mean more $$$ for veterans.

Michael_ Gee · Mar 3, 2011

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As a practical matter, an 18-game schedule is going to have to be accompanied by a roster expansion, so most of any extra money the players get for agreeing to it will go to the new players. In general, unions like proposals that increase the number of their members.

Flying Headbutt · Mar 3, 2011

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But don't the owners want the rookie cap to be in place up to six-years, like current rookie contracts can go? That's what a guy pretty tuned into this was telling me. If that's so, I can see the players going with a rookie cap if the guy can get a new deal after 2-3 years. But no way they're letting anyone spend six years on a capped rookie deal.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 3, 2011

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LevinTBlack said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Smith looks good at times, but it almost always comes in the third or fourth quarter when the game has already been decided.

I would like the Niners to expose Smith to Harbaugh for a year before they get rid of him. Maybe Harbaugh can make chicken salad from chicken shit.

Smith was coached by Mike McCarthy. Mike Martz and Norv Turner, so it's not like he had village idiots as OCs for his entire time in SF, but that was the case the last two seasons.
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Here's the thing though, he got one year with each of them. Urban Meyer (his college coach) said during the draft that whoever takes Smith needs to give him consistency in the offense. He said that Alex didn't become a good QB at Utah until he knew the playbook inside and out and became confident in it. Meyer said that Alex was hestitent and not confident until he knew the playbook.

The 49ers have done the exact opposite of what they should have done. McCarthy and Turner aren't the teams fault. They hired good OC's and they got hired away to be a head coach. They then kept a guy for continuity to run Turner's system and he was awful and replaced by season end. They then hired Martz which was a dumb hire. Smith is not a deep ball thrower. He can do it but he's not the gunslinger Martz needs. Finally they bring in Jimmy Raye. A guy whose idea for an offense was stuck in the 1980's and it showed.

Not giving Smith a pass. He should have shown more promise but he has shown in short stretches the ability to be good. It has always come when his confidence his high or he has no reason to worry (late in games when down big). I think that with Harbaugh, a nicer coach who doesn't berate, Smith has a decent chance of finally emerging. He will never, ever be great but he has shown flashes of being a very good QB. Harbaugh is the exact type of coach that works well with Smith in my opinion. Someone who knows offense and is good at building up his players confidence through positive reinforcement. It's no lock but I would say it is at least a 1/3 shot he turns it around under Harbaugh.
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I don't think any OC wanted any part of working for Singletary. There were some pretty mediocre coaches who turned down that job over the last couple years.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 3, 2011

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The rookie cap needs to happen. It will eliminate holdouts and teams won't have to worry about mortgaging the next decade to sign a pick who winds up being a bust. Having no holdouts will benefit the players as well. I don't think JaMarcus Russell would have been a success if he hadn't held out, but I think Cedric Benson would have done better with the Bears if he didn't miss all that time. All the guys that held out so long the year Crabtree was drafted probably would have been much more productive as rookies.

Pancamo · Mar 3, 2011

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Rookie cap needs to happen only if the players can reach FA in 2-3 years otherwise the players are getting screwed again.

As for Dee Smith, let's wait until a deal is in place to anoint him anything special.

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