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outofplace · Mar 11, 2011

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Steak Snabler said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

The big rumor is that the Cardinals are going to send the No. 5 pick in the draft to Philly for Kevin Kolb.

I think it's too much, but it appears I am in the minority.
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Holy crap, that's steep! Then again, the Texans traded two second-round picks to Atlanta for Matt Schaub, and Kolb is very similar to Schaub at the same stage in their careers.

Matt Cassel only cost KC the No. 34 overall pick, and Cassel had at least started basically a full season. What's Kolb got, seven career starts?
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Cassell was already locked into a huge contract, so that made it a little tougher for the Patriots to trade him.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 11, 2011

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outofplace said:

Steak Snabler said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

The big rumor is that the Cardinals are going to send the No. 5 pick in the draft to Philly for Kevin Kolb.

I think it's too much, but it appears I am in the minority.
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Holy crap, that's steep! Then again, the Texans traded two second-round picks to Atlanta for Matt Schaub, and Kolb is very similar to Schaub at the same stage in their careers.

Matt Cassel only cost KC the No. 34 overall pick, and Cassel had at least started basically a full season. What's Kolb got, seven career starts?
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Cassell was already locked into a huge contract, so that made it a little tougher for the Patriots to trade him.
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I thought New England used the franchise tag on him and then traded him.

Michael_ Gee · Mar 11, 2011

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That's exactly what the Pats did. Then KC gave Cassel the big contract. Cassel was a potential free agent, so New England had to franchise him in order to trade him.

nmmetsfan · Mar 11, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

nmmetsfan said:

If I were in the top 10 and needing a QB I'd be shitting my pants about Cam Newton. He's a freak of nature but I'd put his bust potential as high as anybody in this draft.
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I don't know... I remember at the combine the year Vince Young came out, I was asking a scout about Young and he said, "I wouldn't touch him with a top 20 pick."

I asked him if he thought he'd fall that far and he said, "No, there will be one team with a high pick that will fall in love with him and take him."

I think the same thing will happen with Newton, who I think is a better prospect than Vince was coming out of college.
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That's the thing. Five years later and you still don't know exactly what you have with Vince Young. Was he a compete bust? No. Was he worth a top-3 pick? Maybe that year. Knowing what we do now, he's sure as hell not someone you want to tie your franchise's future to. Is he still a freak of nature? Yeah.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 11, 2011

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The problem with Young is that he's high maintenance. He's an amazing athlete, but he's not smart enough to put it all together on the NFL level. I think with the right amount of coddling and the right coach, he could be a good starter. I think Minnesota is the perfect fit for VY.

MartinonMTV2 · Mar 11, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

nmmetsfan said:

If I were in the top 10 and needing a QB I'd be shitting my pants about Cam Newton. He's a freak of nature but I'd put his bust potential as high as anybody in this draft.
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I don't know... I remember at the combine the year Vince Young came out, I was asking a scout about Young and he said, "I wouldn't touch him with a top 20 pick."

I asked him if he thought he'd fall that far and he said, "No, there will be one team with a high pick that will fall in love with him and take him."

I think the same thing will happen with Newton, who I think is a better prospect than Vince was coming out of college.
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Newton will be destroyed in the NFL. Two things might help him:

* A lengthy lockout that allows him to develop while teams are in limbo.

* He ends up with a team that already has a good offense.

In any other scenario, he gets destroyed.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 11, 2011

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Newton definitely needs to go somewhere where they'll give him 1-2 years to develop a la Steve McNair. I think if he gets that and a good coach, I think he could do well.

I'm surprised so many mocks have him going to Washington. He doesn't strike me as a Shanahan quarterback.

outofplace · Mar 11, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

outofplace said:

Steak Snabler said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

The big rumor is that the Cardinals are going to send the No. 5 pick in the draft to Philly for Kevin Kolb.

I think it's too much, but it appears I am in the minority.
Click to expand...

Holy crap, that's steep! Then again, the Texans traded two second-round picks to Atlanta for Matt Schaub, and Kolb is very similar to Schaub at the same stage in their careers.

Matt Cassel only cost KC the No. 34 overall pick, and Cassel had at least started basically a full season. What's Kolb got, seven career starts?
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Cassell was already locked into a huge contract, so that made it a little tougher for the Patriots to trade him.
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I thought New England used the franchise tag on him and then traded him.
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They did, which committed them to a huge salary for that season. They would have had a huge chunk of their cap committed to quarterbacks, so dealing Cassel allowed the Patriots to sign some useful free agents.

Michael_ Gee · Mar 11, 2011

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I always thought the franchise tag was Belichick's way of thanking Cassel for 2008 and making sure the player got his.

nmmetsfan · Mar 11, 2011

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Michael_ Gee said:

I always thought the franchise tag was Belichick's way of thanking Cassel for 2008 and making sure the player got his.
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Cassel was gonna get his regardless. The tag was just Belichick knowing he could get something for him instead of just letting him walk.

Mizzougrad96 · Mar 11, 2011

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nmmetsfan said:

Michael_ Gee said:

I always thought the franchise tag was Belichick's way of thanking Cassel for 2008 and making sure the player got his.
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Cassel was gonna get his regardless. The tag was just Belichick knowing he could get something for him instead of just letting him walk.
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I thought his way of thanking him was dealing him to Pioli for what was rumored to be less than what another team was offering.

Crash · Mar 11, 2011

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Union decertifies. Makes a work stoppage almost certain, right?

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