Running NFL Preseason Thread

JC · Jul 22, 2011

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Stitch said:

outofplace said:

JC said:

ShiptoShore said:

Michael_ Gee said:

Owning an NFL team is an annuity. There's no financial risk involved unless you're reallys stupid, which few of them are. Let me put it this way. When I see owners and former players walking around at the Super Bowl, the owners aren't the ones with permanent limps and palsied limbs.
It never fails to amaze me that people working in a profession where they're constantly screwed over by rich shits still identify with rich shits over athletes. Is penis envy really THAT powerful?
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Comparing struggling journalists getting laid off and furloughed by rich shits to million-dollar athletes who aren't getting the extra .5 in their salary because of a CBA feud with the NFL owners is an extreme reach. Apples to oranges.

But, in the players' defense, they're treated like slaves, according to Adrian Peterson.
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it's the principle of the whole thing, not the money.
Take the emotion out of it and I don't know how anybody sides with the owners.
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Here we go again. "The people who disagree with me are being emotional." Sorry, but you have to do better than that.

Worrying about the principle of the thing seems kind of emotional to me. The exact terms of the deal has no real impact on the fans. Both sides of this deal are going to get plenty of money. What has a real impact is getting the strike settled sooner rather than later so the games can start. Like it or not, that is going to put some very rational people on the side of the owners.
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You know it's not a strike, right?
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apparently not. And all fans care about is watching football, that is what I mean about taking the emotion out of it.

Boom_70 · Jul 22, 2011

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Players are not in camp because Gene Upshaw actually negotiated a great deal for them at last CBA.

outofplace · Jul 22, 2011

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JC said:

Stitch said:

outofplace said:

JC said:

ShiptoShore said:

Michael_ Gee said:

Owning an NFL team is an annuity. There's no financial risk involved unless you're reallys stupid, which few of them are. Let me put it this way. When I see owners and former players walking around at the Super Bowl, the owners aren't the ones with permanent limps and palsied limbs.
It never fails to amaze me that people working in a profession where they're constantly screwed over by rich shits still identify with rich shits over athletes. Is penis envy really THAT powerful?
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Comparing struggling journalists getting laid off and furloughed by rich shits to million-dollar athletes who aren't getting the extra .5 in their salary because of a CBA feud with the NFL owners is an extreme reach. Apples to oranges.

But, in the players' defense, they're treated like slaves, according to Adrian Peterson.
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it's the principle of the whole thing, not the money.
Take the emotion out of it and I don't know how anybody sides with the owners.
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Here we go again. "The people who disagree with me are being emotional." Sorry, but you have to do better than that.

Worrying about the principle of the thing seems kind of emotional to me. The exact terms of the deal has no real impact on the fans. Both sides of this deal are going to get plenty of money. What has a real impact is getting the strike settled sooner rather than later so the games can start. Like it or not, that is going to put some very rational people on the side of the owners.
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You know it's not a strike, right?
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apparently not. And all fans care about is watching football, that is what I mean about taking the emotion out of it.
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You both get that the ball is in the players' court now, right? (Guess not).

JC · Jul 22, 2011

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OOP, is it a strike or a lockout?

Which side chose to shutdown the league?

outofplace · Jul 22, 2011

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JC said:

OOP, is it a strike or a lockout?

Which side chose to shutdown the league?
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Which side is holding it up now?

I am fully aware that this entire problem is the owners' fault. They have been kicking the players' asses in these things for so long, they just assumed that sooner or later they would get what they want. I have said so repeatedly.

But if you are really going to insist on oversimplifying things, it is on the players now.

JC · Jul 22, 2011

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outofplace said:

JC said:

OOP, is it a strike or a lockout?

Which side chose to shutdown the league?
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Which side is holding it up now?

I am fully aware that this entire problem is the owners' fault. They have been kicking the players' asses in these things for so long, they just assumed that sooner or later they would get what they want. I have said so repeatedly.

But if you are really going to insist on oversimplifying things, it is on the players now.
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Why are the players expected to agree to the owners offer? They agreed to a deal that the owners opted out of. To me it does not matter which court the ball is in, this was precipitated by the owners.

Stitch · Jul 22, 2011

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JC said:

outofplace said:

JC said:

OOP, is it a strike or a lockout?

Which side chose to shutdown the league?
Click to expand...

Which side is holding it up now?

I am fully aware that this entire problem is the owners' fault. They have been kicking the players' asses in these things for so long, they just assumed that sooner or later they would get what they want. I have said so repeatedly.

But if you are really going to insist on oversimplifying things, it is on the players now.
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Why are the players expected to agree to the owners offer? They agreed to a deal that the owners opted out of. To me it does not matter which court the ball is in, this was precipitated by the owners.
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I'd like to make deals the way oop thinks they should be done. It would be much easier to throw something out there and try to get the other party to accept.

HanSenSE · Jul 22, 2011

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Millionaires vs. billionaires ... nothing to see here folks, keep moving ... unless you're a WWL-type on the verge of tears over the Hall of Fame game being axed.

doctorquant · Jul 22, 2011

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In OOP's defense, he did point out that the "it's on the players now" viewpoint is oversimplifying things.

outofplace · Jul 22, 2011

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JC said:

outofplace said:

JC said:

OOP, is it a strike or a lockout?

Which side chose to shutdown the league?
Click to expand...

Which side is holding it up now?

I am fully aware that this entire problem is the owners' fault. They have been kicking the players' asses in these things for so long, they just assumed that sooner or later they would get what they want. I have said so repeatedly.

But if you are really going to insist on oversimplifying things, it is on the players now.
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Why are the players expected to agree to the owners offer? They agreed to a deal that the owners opted out of. To me it does not matter which court the ball is in, this was precipitated by the owners.
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Which I already said as well. Please see doctorquant's post, also.

That said, you are still missing my point -- it really doesn't matter who gets what to anybody but the players or the owners. What matters is playing the games.

I never said the owners were right in all this. I said they did a good job of putting the pressure on the players and the truth is, there is a deal in place and it is up to the players if they want to come back at this point.

I have yet to hear anybody from the players' side say what specific problem they have with the deal on the table. I am wondering if there is one, other than just not liking the way the owners handled things yesterday.

Mizzougrad96 · Jul 22, 2011

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NFL Network is reporting that under the new rookie structure, Cam Newton will make $22 million in his first four years and there will be a $14 million option for a fifth year.

Last year, Sam Bradford got $50 million guaranteed.

outofplace · Jul 22, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

NFL Network is reporting that under the new rookie structure, Cam Newton will make $22 million in his first four years and there will be a $14 million option for a fifth year.

Last year, Sam Bradford got $50 million guaranteed.
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How will he ever make ends meet?

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