Running NFL Preseason Thread

YGBFKM · Feb 22, 2011

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How long before he pulls a hamstring?

Steak Snabler · Feb 22, 2011

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Saints cut Jeremy Shockey:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6148294

No surprise, given Shockey's injury history, high salary and the fact that rookie Jimmy Graham emerged as a legitimate weapon late in the season.

Herbert Anchovy · Feb 22, 2011

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MizzouGrad--
Kitna's one of the nice guys. No doubt he taught Palmer how to be a pro, among other things. Beyond that, it's a marvel that he piloted an NFL team to the playoffs. Or that he now qualifies for a pension.

outofplace · Feb 22, 2011

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Mizzougrad96 said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Kitna was a crisis option for uber bust Akili Smith.

This is Starman's tin drum, but I'm not sure how much mentoring Kitna has ever done.
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I was always under the impression that he worked with Palmer a lot. I did a story on Palmer a few years ago and he said Kitna was key to his transition to the NFL and that he was disappointed when he left, but understood because he wanted another chance to start.
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So very nice of Palmer, but I think playing with an outstanding offensive line, quality running back and a deep, gifted group of receivers had a hell of a lot more to do with Palmer's big numbers a few years back than the guidance of Jon Kitna.

YGBFKM · Feb 22, 2011

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outofplace said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Kitna was a crisis option for uber bust Akili Smith.

This is Starman's tin drum, but I'm not sure how much mentoring Kitna has ever done.
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I was always under the impression that he worked with Palmer a lot. I did a story on Palmer a few years ago and he said Kitna was key to his transition to the NFL and that he was disappointed when he left, but understood because he wanted another chance to start.
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So very nice of Palmer, but I think playing with an outstanding offensive line, quality running back and a deep, gifted group of receivers had a hell of a lot more to do with Palmer's big numbers a few years back than the guidance of Jon Kitna.
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Did Palmer kick your dog or something?

LevinTBlack · Feb 23, 2011

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outofplace said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Kitna was a crisis option for uber bust Akili Smith.

This is Starman's tin drum, but I'm not sure how much mentoring Kitna has ever done.
Click to expand...

I was always under the impression that he worked with Palmer a lot. I did a story on Palmer a few years ago and he said Kitna was key to his transition to the NFL and that he was disappointed when he left, but understood because he wanted another chance to start.
Click to expand...

So very nice of Palmer, but I think playing with an outstanding offensive line, quality running back and a deep, gifted group of receivers had a hell of a lot more to do with Palmer's big numbers a few years back than the guidance of Jon Kitna.
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Just because there is a lot of talent around you that doesn't mean you will be great and Pro Bowl caliber. It helps A LOT but a quarterback still has to learn and mature to be able to play with that talent. If Palmer says Kitna helped in his transition I'm going to believe him. Definitely before some guy on a message board who has some bias or grudge.

Herbert Anchovy · Feb 23, 2011

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OoP's talent appraisals are stained with horrible bias. It's unfortunately just something we cope with.

outofplace · Feb 23, 2011

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YGBFKM said:

outofplace said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Kitna was a crisis option for uber bust Akili Smith.

This is Starman's tin drum, but I'm not sure how much mentoring Kitna has ever done.
Click to expand...

I was always under the impression that he worked with Palmer a lot. I did a story on Palmer a few years ago and he said Kitna was key to his transition to the NFL and that he was disappointed when he left, but understood because he wanted another chance to start.
Click to expand...

So very nice of Palmer, but I think playing with an outstanding offensive line, quality running back and a deep, gifted group of receivers had a hell of a lot more to do with Palmer's big numbers a few years back than the guidance of Jon Kitna.
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Did Palmer kick your dog or something?
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Nope. I thought he was a damn good quarterback at one point. I'm just saying that I think the talent around him had a heck of a lot more to do with his success than the mentoring by Kitna.

outofplace · Feb 23, 2011

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LevinTBlack said:

outofplace said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Kitna was a crisis option for uber bust Akili Smith.

This is Starman's tin drum, but I'm not sure how much mentoring Kitna has ever done.
Click to expand...

I was always under the impression that he worked with Palmer a lot. I did a story on Palmer a few years ago and he said Kitna was key to his transition to the NFL and that he was disappointed when he left, but understood because he wanted another chance to start.
Click to expand...

So very nice of Palmer, but I think playing with an outstanding offensive line, quality running back and a deep, gifted group of receivers had a hell of a lot more to do with Palmer's big numbers a few years back than the guidance of Jon Kitna.
Click to expand...

Just because there is a lot of talent around you that doesn't mean you will be great and Pro Bowl caliber. It helps A LOT but a quarterback still has to learn and mature to be able to play with that talent. If Palmer says Kitna helped in his transition I'm going to believe him. Definitely before some guy on a message board who has some bias or grudge.
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He was being nice to a teammate who was supportive of him. For a guy who is so concerned with finding a bias, you sure missed one right there.

Mizzougrad96 · Feb 23, 2011

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I know there is always the temptation to throw a QB to the wolves and hope they succeed like Bradford, Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning and a couple other did.

Palmer definitely benefited by sitting for a year behind Kitna, who is the type of player who wouldn't mind mentoring the kid, unlike what Rodgers dealt with in Green Bay when he was dealing with a aging superstar who is pissed that the team has drafted his replacement.

Mark Brunell is another one who has hung around the league longer than many expected because he accepts his role and the team knows that he can help the young guy. It's a smart way of doing business and the only surprising thing about it is that the Bengals actually did it rather than just throw Palmer to the wolves.

93Devil · Feb 24, 2011

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Palmer was once a very good QB, but at some point he realized that he pissed his career away in Cincy and just stopped caring.

Herbert Anchovy · Feb 24, 2011

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/

“I look at it this way, you’ve got guys sitting in the front office that never coached,” Williams said. “I just didn’t coach college, I coached high school. If you’ve got the patience and time to coach high school, you can do other jobs. There are guys who learned the [football] language and never got their hands dirty, per se. They can’t go back and get their hands dirty again.”
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