Running NFL Preseason Thread

YGBFKM · Aug 14, 2011

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Dan Marino was not a great quarterback. Don't tell me what to do!

93Devil · Aug 14, 2011

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JC said:

93Devil said:

YGBFKM said:

It's TARKENTON. Seriously, if you want anyone to take you seriously (although that horse is probably miles from the barn by now), it would help if you spelled the names of well-known players correctly.

What Elway did in leading those three teams to the Super Bowl was more impressive than anything he did afterward. There's a reason he was wildly popular before he started making fantasy owners happy. People who understand football knew all along what they were watching. And they reacted accordingly.
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But the numbers are correct, right?
Can I use this logic when I talk about Roethlisberger?

If you end his career when he is 33, I don't even think he makes the HOF. If he does, it's not by much. It's what he did in his late 30s that pushed him into the great category.
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This is just some of the stupidest stuff you have ever,ever said on here and you have said a lot.

Comparing Elway's TD's to QB's of this era is ridiculous, compare his stats to the the QB's he played against. He was always considered one of the best players in the league, always. So by your logic there is only one big game a year, the Super Bowl.

If you don't think he makes the HOF at 33 you are a fool and can't be taken seriously.
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No, Elway played in the modern passing era. That began in 1978 and 1979 when the five-yard chuck rule was placed in the rule book.

In the first half of his career, he did not throw a lot of touchdown passes.

But we all know I place a lot of weight on how you play in the playoffs and the Super Bowl, and in the first 10 years of his career, he sucked in the Super Bowl.

93Devil · Aug 14, 2011

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jr/shotglass said:

I always get a chuckle out of those who bring an NFL quarterback's worth down to their Super Bowl performances, or even worse, their ability to get there.

Do not TELL me Dan Marino was not a great quarterback. Or Warren Moon. Or Jim Kelly. Or Dan Fouts.

A quarterback cannot bring a team to an NFL title all by himself, no matter how much we want it to be that simple.
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If Kelly wins three Super Bowls he is a God in the NFL.

He did not, and that is why he is placed where he is placed in the minds of fans. How you play in the Super Bowl does matter.

93Devil · Aug 14, 2011

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Amamzing how this started because I commented about how much the Denver fans loved Elway.

YGBFKM · Aug 14, 2011

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You mean Jim Kelly the Hall of Fame quarterback?

YGBFKM · Aug 14, 2011

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93Devil said:

Amamzing how this started because I commented about how much the Denver fans loved Elway.
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Ya, amazing how much fans support their team's QB, regardless of how many TDs he throws -- or assaults he's accused of.

93Devil · Aug 14, 2011

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YGBFKM said:

You mean Jim Kelly the Hall of Fame quarterback?
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You understand there are players who are held in a much higher standing than others even though they are in the HOF, right?

Babe Ruth and Tony Perez are both in the HOF. Are they similar players?

outofplace · Aug 14, 2011

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93Devil said:

JC said:

93Devil said:

YGBFKM said:

It's TARKENTON. Seriously, if you want anyone to take you seriously (although that horse is probably miles from the barn by now), it would help if you spelled the names of well-known players correctly.

What Elway did in leading those three teams to the Super Bowl was more impressive than anything he did afterward. There's a reason he was wildly popular before he started making fantasy owners happy. People who understand football knew all along what they were watching. And they reacted accordingly.
Click to expand...

But the numbers are correct, right?
Can I use this logic when I talk about Roethlisberger?

If you end his career when he is 33, I don't even think he makes the HOF. If he does, it's not by much. It's what he did in his late 30s that pushed him into the great category.
Click to expand...

This is just some of the stupidest stuff you have ever,ever said on here and you have said a lot.

Comparing Elway's TD's to QB's of this era is ridiculous, compare his stats to the the QB's he played against. He was always considered one of the best players in the league, always. So by your logic there is only one big game a year, the Super Bowl.

If you don't think he makes the HOF at 33 you are a fool and can't be taken seriously.
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No, Elway played in the modern passing era. That began in 1978 and 1979 when the five-yard chuck rule was placed in the rule book.

In the first half of his career, he did not throw a lot of touchdown passes.

But we all know I place a lot of weight on how you play in the playoffs and the Super Bowl, and in the first 10 years of his career, he sucked in the Super Bowl.
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He played better than Roethlisberger in Super Bowl XL, though that isn't saying much.

You got one thing right. It is fair to compare quarterbacks in the '80s to the quarterbacks of today. The rules were basically the same. The game has continued to evolve, but it is not nearly as dramatic of a difference as before the major changes in 1978.

That said, Elway was a Hall of Famer before those two Super Bowl victories.

JC · Aug 14, 2011

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93Devil said:

JC said:

93Devil said:

YGBFKM said:

It's TARKENTON. Seriously, if you want anyone to take you seriously (although that horse is probably miles from the barn by now), it would help if you spelled the names of well-known players correctly.

What Elway did in leading those three teams to the Super Bowl was more impressive than anything he did afterward. There's a reason he was wildly popular before he started making fantasy owners happy. People who understand football knew all along what they were watching. And they reacted accordingly.
Click to expand...

But the numbers are correct, right?
Can I use this logic when I talk about Roethlisberger?

If you end his career when he is 33, I don't even think he makes the HOF. If he does, it's not by much. It's what he did in his late 30s that pushed him into the great category.
Click to expand...

This is just some of the stupidest stuff you have ever,ever said on here and you have said a lot.

Comparing Elway's TD's to QB's of this era is ridiculous, compare his stats to the the QB's he played against. He was always considered one of the best players in the league, always. So by your logic there is only one big game a year, the Super Bowl.

If you don't think he makes the HOF at 33 you are a fool and can't be taken seriously.
Click to expand...

No, Elway played in the modern passing era. That began in 1978 and 1979 when the five-yard chuck rule was placed in the rule book.

In the first half of his career, he did not throw a lot of touchdown passes.

But we all know I place a lot of weight on how you play in the playoffs and the Super Bowl, and in the first 10 years of his career, he sucked in the Super Bowl.
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So you put no weight on the fact he got teams to the superbowl that had no business being there? It's a god damn team sport Devil, your logic is just so simplistic and embarrassingly elementary. Dilfer must be better than Marino then.

Also look at the stats of QB's in the 80's and 90's early 90's compared to today and tell me again how the passing game is similar.

jr/shotglass · Aug 14, 2011

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You know, Devil, there were some pretty fair QBs who couldn't even turn their team into a winner. Like Peyton and Eli's daddy; he could QB a little bit.

Steak Snabler · Aug 16, 2011

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Bills cut linebacker/defensive end Aaron Maybin, their first-round pick from 2009:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Aaron-Maybin-s-slight-frame-is-pushed-to-the-une?urn=nfl-wp5153

For the No. 11 overall pick to be cut after just two years has to make Maybin one of the biggest draft busts ever.

Mizzougrad96 · Aug 16, 2011

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Elway played most of his career for a coach who did not emphasize the pass despite having one of the best quarterbacks of all-time.

When Elway finally got a coach who knew how to properly utilize his talent, he was past his prime, but still had a few great seasons left in him.

And Elway was a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer long before Shanahan took over as HC in Denver. He's the second best quarterback I've ever seen.

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