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Running Primaries Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Chi City 81, Feb 6, 2008.

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  1. Prior to your current career as a clairvoyant, did you read very much?
    The seven years part refers to the horror at the beginning of your post that culminates in the charmingly naive observation, "Why even have laws in the first place?" This is a question some of us have been asking for the past seven years -- see also "signing statements," "the unitary executive," "John Yoo."
    I therefore questioned whether or not you'd been paying attention over the course of those seven years. If you had, today's developments would not have come as so much of a shock.
    Context -- It's Not Just For Breakfast Any More.
     
  2. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    Well, cran, if we're going to play reductio ad absurdum, let's at least play fair.

    Rendell's stated motivation is getting Hillary Clinton the Democratic nomination. There was a press conference, and everything.

    How do you see this comment playing into Rendell's stated goal?
     
  3. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    [quote author=The Big Ragu ]

    He seems like a guy who just wants to get on with his life and not be in the spotlight. There is little to call his credibility into question. They offered him a deal: Tell the truth and you don't go to jail. Most people would suspect that he has little to gain in that situation by lying. Also, he's a street-wise Bronx guy who had a code. It's one of the reasons so many major leaguers turned to him. He seemed to know what he was talking about and he was reserved and not a blabbermouth. He never contacted players. He waited for them to contact him. He gave free advice--he wasn't always trying to cash in--and didn't push the stuff. Only after he got busted did he realize that at least one player, and likely several, had turned on him and didn't have his code, so he no longer felt the same obligation to protect them. I'd also bet anything that this isn't the guy who will look to cash in on his notoriety with a book. He actually declared what he made from what he sold and paid taxes on it and he lived in a modest-sized home. He seems like someone who doesn't want attention right now.

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    Sorry. It wasn't the NY Times from which you lifted your thoughts, it was ESPN.com:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3241127


    At 38, with a wife and a young daughter, Radomski claims he only did what he could to protect himself when he cooperated with federal authorities and the Mitchell Commission. He bristles at the way he has been portrayed by some as a rat, believing one or more players squealed on him first. He also is dismissive of suggestions that he was a steriods peddler, suggesting he didn't solicit players but, rather, provided drugs to them as a favor, often at little or no profit.

    "I was a reliable source for the ballplayers," Radomski says. "I kept my mouth shut. I never talked about things. The only reason I did what I did is because there was a lot of talk about me.

    "The only reason [federal investigators] came at me is because of the ballplayers. That is the only reason. I would never have been on the radar. I wasn't a dealer."

    Radomski supplied Brian McNamee, shown here in February 2006, with performance-enhancing drugs, but says he doesn't know who McNamee gave them to.
    Radomski's story, then, is about relationships, perhaps some that turned sour.

    He is where he is today, in part, because he's a likeable character, a hard worker and a self-described hustler. Players, he says, enjoyed having him around in the clubhouse. They seemed to trust him. Some allowed him occasional access to their tight-knit fraternity.
     
  4. Eyes on the ball, people.
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  5. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    That photo never stops being creepy.

    Ever.
     
  6. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    That there is some flawless logic.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    So, um, you agreed with what I said in my post... but you had the compulsion to spin it into an argument. Not "I agree," when you are in agreement, but "you're kidding?"

    Context -- you don't have to turn everything into an attempt to argue or belittle just because *I* said it.

    Even when you agree with me but you can't bring yourself to just say so instead of using it as a reason to go all pit bull. Are you really that person?
     
  8. writing irish

    writing irish Active Member

    Was meant in jest, not earnest.
     
  9. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    I see it being positioned as "bringing race" into the race by Obamaphiles and working against Rendell's stated goals. Personally, I think the writer failed miserably as a reporter and as an Obama supporter by failing to provide the basic context within which the quote was uttered.
     
  10. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    And again, you seem to have keen insight into everyone else's thought process, but none into Rendell's.

    Why is that?

    It's really a simple question.

     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    cranberry, my thoughts are my own. I didn't get my ideas from the NY Times or whatever ESPN.com story you linked to... And the "lifted your thoughts from" bullshit is weak. Disagree with me and say why, but trying to tell me that I'm too stupid to form my own thoughts doesn't bolster what you've been saying. In the parlance of the board, it reaks of "what I have been arguing is full of fail." Sorry to point it out.

    Especially when your childlike view of the world (which only gets applied selectively) is, "A person's words shouldn't be viewed through the prism of that person's usual behavior and who he is aligned with. Anything except a literal interpretation of his words leads to pure speculation about his motives."

    I take it you don't usually recognize sarcasm, irony or various literary devices, either.*


    *lifted from ESPN.com
     
  12. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    It's the combination of the chin on W's upper chest plus the hand around the waist. Especially after the crap which was pulled on him in 2000 makes it both creepy and pathetic.
     
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