Running Primaries Thread

He was smart enough to know that George Bush's war was bullshit, right from the start. And pretty accurate about how it would turn out.

That's gonna look pretty good when he's standing side-by-side with Senator "I would have done it better''. (that actually fits McCain and Hillary).

And like someone else said, what are the Senate's accomplishments in the past 7 years? or the government in general?

What are McCain's accomplishments? His base isn't going to like it if he talks about those. "I reached across the aisle - McCain-Feingold, immigration reform with Ted Kennedy ....''

If the republicans are going to make their stand in this election on supporting george's war, the economy is not so bad, universal health care is socialism, they're dead in the water.

The people have already decided the war was a big mistake, a big lie, and a big mess.

The economy is only good for the super rich. But they don't see that.

And the health care system doesn't work and regular people have to pay way too much and get nothing back.

But there was Romney at the New Hampshire debate, saying the US has the best health care in the world. Maybe for him and the other out-of-touch republicans. There aren't any ordinary people that see that, and it doesn't look like the republicans (rush, et al) are going to be able to scare them away from that belief by shouting "Socialism''.

But Laura Ingraham was giving it a shot last night. Along with a spiel about how democrats really don't like America (Because Barack's wife said she was "finally able to be VERY proud of americans). See, democrats only like america when their guy is in charge. Republicans always like america, no matter who's in charge (Laura's words). Republicans never go negative like that and always support the president (she should run that one by Rush).

A caller actually called bullshit on her by saying McCain is using the same kind of rhetoric (restore america's place in the world, etc.), but she said she didn't hear that. Ugh. And she's one of the better ones (asshole commentators).

 

He was involved in the Kidd deal, too? Damn. Who wasn’t involved in that deal?

The man has a website. If you were truly interested in learning what the accomplishments were and what he stood for, you could go there and find out.

 

If Hillary Clinton can't pull it together, this would have to go down as one of the greatest flops in political history. And thankfully the Democratic party would be free'd from the clutches of one of the most divisive snake oil selling couples in American history.

I for one, however, think she is still going to win - by hook or by crook -- and then sadly we'll have a "choice" of two old asses with no new ideas and a lot of rich and powerful friends paying their bills come November.......

I'm not an Obama fan, but I do think a fresh face and a fresh group of people running the show in Washington -- regardless of how liberal and unimaginative their ideas are -- would not be a bad thing.

And someone needs to tell Hillary that if she continues to come off like the ice queen and continues to give her speeches in a robotic monotone and continues to focus on ripping Obama she is never going to endear herself to those voters who don't like her......

 

From nationalreview.com

 

Again, the McCain/Huckabee vote counts are easily explained.

Everybody knows that unless the presumptive nominee drops dead, it's over.
His backers know it, too. So why drag your ass to the polls to vote, when it's over? The folks who are motivated on that side are the Huck evangy true believers who see every primary as an opportunity to ring up raw vote totals, as a statement. Everybody should get over it . . . except it's clear that Huck isn't helping himself within the party by extending this thing, in what's now little more than a vanity campaign.

 

I'm confused. You say, "get over it." But doesn't the fact that that many "evangy" voters get up and vote for someone else say a lot about McCain and the fact that he's not appealing to a segment of the Republican base -- a segment that comes out to vote no matter what?

 

Can't remember if it was Chris Matthews or Time Magazine writer Joe Klein, but this morning on MSNBC one of them made the point that the last senator we elected president - John F. Kennedy - had few accomplishments in the Senate before winning the presidency. One of them pointed out that Obama has an executive tone and sense to him while Hillary has said she loves working in the Senate and seems to be more of a legislator than an executive.

 

Exactly. Which is why I think Huckabee will be McCain's running mate - it will at least somewhat placate an important part of the GOP's base.

 

McCain is such a tool. He just keeps saying over and over that they signed a piece of paper that said they'd pursue public financing. He's got that quiet anger that scares the shit out of me. The quiet anger that eventually will explode into a ware we don't belong in. G-w's quiet anger.

 

If I was scoring at home, I wouldn't be worrying abouty this thread, I assure you ...

 

Like Henry, I am just watching alone.

 

The evangelicals don't have the critical mass to run the GOP inside and out, as much as Jim Dobson and Pat Robertson would like to think so.

The Huckabee votes register as "protest" votes in what's currently a futile cause. Their numbers are not insignificant, and attention is paid thereto, though Huckabee votes are NOT solely evangelical votes . . . they're also GOP voters who don't like McCain. There are voters who don't want any part of Huckabee (yes, there are), and will vote for McCain, even though they're not crazy about him (lesser of two evils, and all that).

Two-way matchups (which is what you've got now, over there) are not necessarily pure popularity contests. The votes from folks who have a big dislike on for the other candidate are in the mix, as well.

Evangelical bloc is in a tough spot, now, especially those who refuse to vote Dem, for their own reasons. In the fall, can vote for the lesser of evils (McCain, I would surmise) or sit. They now know how the black vote (as a bloc) has felt in this country, for decades . . . or how I (a white male) have felt for my entire voting life. Myself, I've gone out and voted for the lesser of evils, time after time. It sucks, but it's more responsible than the alternative.