Running Primaries Thread

Well, I wasn't around back then.

Back on topic, I also am menaced by the vision on McCain kicking HRC's ass in November. Not a pretty vision. Fuck Ohio.

 

Obama's speech is really good. Again.

 

The Democratic Party is truly a steaming pile of shit. I thought they'd demonstrated Ultimate Fail in 2000. Then they topped it with Super-Ultimate Fail in 2004. If they set the GOP up to keep the White House after eight years of the W disaster, I'm out of superlatives.

 

Did he miss his chance to deliver the knockout to Hillary tonight though?

More importantly, perhaps (and as others have pondered here), are the Dems once again finding a way to blow it by having their base so bitterly divided? If Hillary does somehow get the nomination, will she be able to convince the African American voters to support her and not stay at home on election day?

 

Obama was outside, while Clinton was in a small gym. Big difference in acoustics. But for somebody just flipping on and seeing the two, the audio difference was staggering.

 

Do you guys think -- regardless of who wins the nomination for the Dems -- that any of this stretching out the nomination will really "wound" the nominee?

Seriously?

Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama will win or lose against John McCain based on their merits and their campaign. Not whatever happens eight months before the election. It's mostly nonsense. It's something for us to talk about because otherwise we'd have nothing to talk about.

 

I think it has an impact. They're going to be going after each other for at least the next month. Russert's on saying right now they'll be firing at each other for the next three months.

They have to keep hammering McCain and the current administration to have a chance, because if they stay negative at each other for the remainder of the nomination campaign, both of them will be covered in mud by the time they have to take on McCain.

 

No, it won't. No one will remember it a week after the convention. They'll all gather on the stage in Denver, sing Cumbaya, go home happy.

 

True, except that McCain will now have the extra time (at least until Pennsylvania, possibly even until the Dem convention itself) to sell himself and/or discredit the Dems without any serious resistance from the other side. He can also spin how if the current chaos is the best the Dems can do after eight years of bitching and moaning about the Republicans, how can you expect them to run a country properly?

 

After having given McCain all the ammo he'll need to fire at them again. And then all of the news outlets will remind us that this was a topic that Clinton/Obama hammered away at before they withdrew from the nomination race, and it will get regurgitated all over again.

 

How much ammo will McCain need to overcome A. The stain upon the nation and particularly the GOP that is the Bush presidency; and B. The fact the previously dependable conservative base is iffy about him.

A hell of a lot, is the answer you seek.

Today is March 4.

The Democratic nominee will be decided before summertime.

The conventions are in summertime.

The general election is in November.

All the current situation really means is one of the most exciting primary seasons ever, with two Dem candidates whose policy differences are not huge, and who both seem like non-odious choices, especially compared to the disaster that is Bush. Sit back and enjoy this, don't worry about something that isn't going to happen.

 

DD's right. What fuckin' fantasyland have you people been living in where the general public remembers anything that happened prior to this week?

The shit that's happening right now in Ohio and Texas will be forgotten by lunch Thursday -- and that's a generous estimate.

And this shit about the base defecting is killing me. The base is the base. The Dem base isn't voting for a Republican, and vice-versa. It's those people in between who matter.