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Running racism in America thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Scout, May 26, 2020.

  1. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    "woke" is nothing new. It's no different than "politically correct" in the 1990s. I'm sure there were other words for the same concept in the decades before it.
     
  2. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

    hippie
     
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  3. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

  4. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  5. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    But muh zoom training
     
  6. X-Hack

    X-Hack Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure the point you're making here. While I agree that Peterson and Elliott got off way too lightly and that Kavanaugh shouldn't have so much as sniffed the bench, it's not exactly an either/or, or one thing having more consequences than the other. Fact is, there is no Central Ministry of All Consequences For Doing Bad Things that metes out punishment for everyone, private or public sector, and keeps everything consistent. But to answer your question, clearly Conde Nast made a business decision that it's an awful look to have an editor-in-chief of one of its publications who has a history of bigoted tweets about Asians take the reins amid a wave of violent attacks on people of Asian descent. I doubt someone high up in their organization is thinking, "We have to let this one go. After all, Adrian Peterson and Zeke Elliott got to keep doing their thing." On the other hand, the NFL -- with regard to Zeke and AP -- made a business decision that they don't give a shit about violence against women, or at least it's not as big a deal to them as someone silently kneeling in protest and "being political" during the NFL's own very overtly political display of military fetishism and organized, coerced "patriotism." Unless of course they can monetize a totally performative anti-violence stance somehow. Nobody in the commissioner's office is thinking, "Maybe we give guys like Zeke and Adrian a lifetime ban -- after all, Conde Nast is doing that with editors of teen fashion magazines so we gotta be consistent." As for Kavanaugh, Senate Republicans did what Senate Republicans do: "Because Fuck You. That's why."
     
  7. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Over the years, I’ve dealt with a lot of reactions to the fact that I am Korean and Jewish. They’ve ranged from the absurd (Are you sure?) to the angry (That’s not possible!) to the utterly exhausting (Wow, so, are you adopted?) but the through line for most people — especially those within the Jewish community — when confronted with the story of my identity, is disbelief. It’s like one look at my Korean face tells them all they need to know about my Judaism, which they cannot conceive to be as real or as good or as valuable as theirs.

    There has been, for a long time, a single story of what it means to be Jewish — a single story of our shared experience, our shared faith, our shared oppression. And despite what Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie says about the danger of a single story, in the Jewish community, there is simply no room for anyone who challenges that established narrative. My presence in Jewish spaces is seen as a threat, as if I am taking the place of a “real” Jewish person. My very existence is seen as a maelstrom of chance and error, like the Judaism my father was born into precludes his ability to procreate with anyone who was not also born into this religion. My story is treated like a fairy tale — and not the “they lived happily ever after” kind, but the “please use dark magic to explain away something that shouldn’t exist” kind.

    But I do exist, and my story is very real, and I’m going to share part of it here, in the hopes that it will change even one person’s view of the supposed single story of the Jewish experience. To be honest, I wasn’t sure where to start (because really, where do you start in the face of so much hate?) but eventually, I realized that my story, as many second-generation Asian daughters can tell you, begins with my mom.

    Read the full essay by Rebecca Kuss in today's Alma: https://www.heyalma.com/asian-jews-are-suffering-we-need.../

     
  8. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    Isn't "woke" admitting what you were doing was wrong?
     
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  9. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    “history of bigoted tweets about Asians take the reinhistory of bigoted tweets about Asians take the reins amid a wave of violent attacks on people of Asian descents amid a wave of violent attacks on people of Asian descent” you think there’s a difference between a few things a 17 year old tweeted when tweeting was in its infancy and a history of bigotry. When you say history of bigotry you sound like she’s George Wallace or Strom Thurmond. If it’s wasn’t for Kavanaugh’s lying, why would an incident that happened 40 years ago as a minor affect someone at 50 or 60. Anybody say that Mike The Rapist Tyson was great in Hangover. Of Kobe Sodomy Bryant is believed for his family life as his basketball? The age thing bothers me and it happened in the past, that makes it history.

    the difference between all the assaultive conduct that we let athletes get away ( and Trump) vs the heavy handed retribution laid upon others is that women and children’s lives are not valued enough by the media to hold people accountable for those actions. The NFL and ESPN are not subject to political or economic pressure to punish Adrian Peterson for having a history of child abuse. We forgive Michael Irvin for having a history of being a coked up whore monger because it’s history and we forgive. Elliot can for 1000 yards a season so we forget he likes to beat small women.

    the politics of the day says we forgive and forget rape, domestic violence and child abuse because we know and like the abuser and don’t know the victims. But today’s politics say that uttering racially insensitive statements may be career killing, unless you’re a Republican with Republican media support.

    to recap: Saying the “n” word, career over. beat a black woman so many times she’s afraid to testify, short suspension and let’s get back on the field.
     
  10. X-Hack

    X-Hack Well-Known Member

    Your kind of missing my point. My point isn't that we should tolerate rape, domestic violence and child abuse. Nobody's staying that. That's a total strawman. My point was that it's different entities deciding what happened to this Teen Vogue editor, the NFL abusers and Brett Kavanaugh. And yes, depending on the content of her tweets at 17, if the tweets are bad enough -- and there are equally good candidates available without that baggage -- an employer should be able to say, "Yeah, maybe not." Regardless of how soft the NFL or Republicans in the Senate are on those they misguidedly want to protect. Is it fair that a young woman of color is taking a career it and those other guys aren't? In terms of moral balance of the universe, no it's not fair. That's also not how it works.

    Also -- your claim that by pointing out the fact that this woman has a history of bigoted tweets, I'm suggesting she's George Wallace or Strom Thurmond? Hyperbole much?

    Seriously -- re-read what I wrote. You're putting words in my mouth that aren't there. I'm just pointing out that different entities with different interests and priorities are handling the respective situations that create, as you correctly point, unfairly inconsistent consequences.
     
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  11. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

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    garrow Well-Known Member

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