Ryan Braun now linked to Miami PED clinic

LongTimeListener · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

cranberry said:

Key said:

I only read the first page of the link, but no football players linked to this? You've got a boxer and a tennis player but no football players. No basketball players, either. Seems strange.
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There are hundreds of anti-aging clinics under protection from the pharmaceutical lobby. As the story mentions.

Last year, U.S. sales of HGH topped $1.4 billion, the AP found — more than drug companies made off penicillin or prescription allergy meds. This despite the fact that endocrinologists estimate fewer than 45,000 people in the nation actually suffer from FDA-approved maladies for the drug. The reason is simple: The feds have stopped prosecuting anti-aging clinics, and many people believe the drug is a fountain of youth despite a lack of medical evidence and warnings it might lead to cancerous growths and diabetes.
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Wealthy 50-plus men love this stuff way more than athletes.
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This HGH stuff is pretty interesting for that set, cran.

Would you take something that kept you vibrant and active until age 70 and then killed you?

Or would you rather live to 85 but be creaky and weak?

Dick Whitman · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

LongTimeListener said:

cranberry said:

Key said:

I only read the first page of the link, but no football players linked to this? You've got a boxer and a tennis player but no football players. No basketball players, either. Seems strange.
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There are hundreds of anti-aging clinics under protection from the pharmaceutical lobby. As the story mentions.

Last year, U.S. sales of HGH topped $1.4 billion, the AP found more than drug companies made off penicillin or prescription allergy meds. This despite the fact that endocrinologists estimate fewer than 45,000 people in the nation actually suffer from FDA-approved maladies for the drug. The reason is simple: The feds have stopped prosecuting anti-aging clinics, and many people believe the drug is a fountain of youth despite a lack of medical evidence and warnings it might lead to cancerous growths and diabetes.
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Wealthy 50-plus men love this stuff way more than athletes.
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This HGH stuff is pretty interesting for that set, cran.

Would you take something that kept you vibrant and active until age 70 and then killed you?

Or would you rather live to 85 but be creaky and weak?
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I'd rather live to 85. You? The way I look at it, I can still think. I'm more than my body. I watched a close relative die of cancer recently, and some of his doctors and nurses were really trying to encourage him to give up the fight, because his body was "telling (him) that it's tired." But he knew that, physically ravaged as he was, every second he could stick around was another second he could think and ponder. That made it worth it.

Obviously, the priorities of a lot of professional athletes might differ.

Machine Head · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

cranberry said:

Key said:

I only read the first page of the link, but no football players linked to this? You've got a boxer and a tennis player but no football players. No basketball players, either. Seems strange.
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There are hundreds of anti-aging clinics under protection from the pharmaceutical lobby. As the story mentions.

Last year, U.S. sales of HGH topped $1.4 billion, the AP found — more than drug companies made off penicillin or prescription allergy meds. This despite the fact that endocrinologists estimate fewer than 45,000 people in the nation actually suffer from FDA-approved maladies for the drug. The reason is simple: The feds have stopped prosecuting anti-aging clinics, and many people believe the drug is a fountain of youth despite a lack of medical evidence and warnings it might lead to cancerous growths and diabetes.
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Wealthy 50-plus men love this stuff way more than athletes.
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Roger Daltrey agrees.

/ 12-12-12 Concert

Steak Snabler · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

Machine Head said:

cranberry said:

Key said:

I only read the first page of the link, but no football players linked to this? You've got a boxer and a tennis player but no football players. No basketball players, either. Seems strange.
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There are hundreds of anti-aging clinics under protection from the pharmaceutical lobby. As the story mentions.

Last year, U.S. sales of HGH topped $1.4 billion, the AP found — more than drug companies made off penicillin or prescription allergy meds. This despite the fact that endocrinologists estimate fewer than 45,000 people in the nation actually suffer from FDA-approved maladies for the drug. The reason is simple: The feds have stopped prosecuting anti-aging clinics, and many people believe the drug is a fountain of youth despite a lack of medical evidence and warnings it might lead to cancerous growths and diabetes.
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Wealthy 50-plus men love this stuff way more than athletes.
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Roger Daltrey agrees.

/ 12-12-12 Concert
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Not to mention contestants on a lot of reality shows.

I Should Coco · Jan 29, 2013

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Gio Gonzalez is a name that surprised me. And, apparently, his father:

According to the report, Gonzalez’s father, Max, denied the his son’s use of banned substances, insisted that his son had no contact with Bosch and that it was him, instead of his son, that consulted with Bosch to lose weight.

“My son works very, very hard, and he’s as clean as apple pie,” Max Gonzalez told the Miami New Times. “I went to Tony because I needed to lose weight. A friend recommended him, and he did great work for me. But that’s it. He never met my son. Never. And if I knew he was doing these things with steroids, do you think I’d be dumb enough to go there?”
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/29/report-gio-gonzalez-linked-to-miami-clinic-that-supplied-performance-enhancing-drugs/

cranberry · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

LongTimeListener said:

cranberry said:

Key said:

I only read the first page of the link, but no football players linked to this? You've got a boxer and a tennis player but no football players. No basketball players, either. Seems strange.
Click to expand...

There are hundreds of anti-aging clinics under protection from the pharmaceutical lobby. As the story mentions.

Last year, U.S. sales of HGH topped $1.4 billion, the AP found — more than drug companies made off penicillin or prescription allergy meds. This despite the fact that endocrinologists estimate fewer than 45,000 people in the nation actually suffer from FDA-approved maladies for the drug. The reason is simple: The feds have stopped prosecuting anti-aging clinics, and many people believe the drug is a fountain of youth despite a lack of medical evidence and warnings it might lead to cancerous growths and diabetes.
Click to expand...

Wealthy 50-plus men love this stuff way more than athletes.
Click to expand...

This HGH stuff is pretty interesting for that set, cran.

Would you take something that kept you vibrant and active until age 70 and then killed you?

Or would you rather live to 85 but be creaky and weak?
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I wouldn't take hGH if I thought it would kill me. But I don't think that it would kill me. And one would think there'd at least some anecdotal body of evidence of such deaths considering it's a $1.4 billion industry, right?

LongTimeListener · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

I Should Coco said:

Gio Gonzalez is a name that surprised me. And, apparently, his father:

According to the report, Gonzalez’s father, Max, denied the his son’s use of banned substances, insisted that his son had no contact with Bosch and that it was him, instead of his son, that consulted with Bosch to lose weight.

“My son works very, very hard, and he’s as clean as apple pie,” Max Gonzalez told the Miami New Times. “I went to Tony because I needed to lose weight. A friend recommended him, and he did great work for me. But that’s it. He never met my son. Never. And if I knew he was doing these things with steroids, do you think I’d be dumb enough to go there?”
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/29/report-gio-gonzalez-linked-to-miami-clinic-that-supplied-performance-enhancing-drugs/
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So the dad gave the doctor the son's name to keep the dad shielded from the public eye?

Mmmm hmmm.

LongTimeListener · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

cranberry said:

LongTimeListener said:

This HGH stuff is pretty interesting for that set, cran.

Would you take something that kept you vibrant and active until age 70 and then killed you?

Or would you rather live to 85 but be creaky and weak?
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I wouldn't take hGH if I thought it would kill me. But I don't think that it would kill me. And one would think there'd at least some anecdotal body of evidence of such deaths considering it's a $1.4 billion industry, right?
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You raise a good point and I did frame the hypothetical poorly. It's not be vibrant till 70 and then it kills you. It's be vibrant till 70 and then some people think it might do you some harm (which of course you could encounter similar health problems anyway without it).

So put that way, Dick ... yeah, if I feel like I'm getting frail and weak and unable to be active when I'm that age, and there's a treatment that reverses that, hell yeah I'm on it. Isn't that what medicine is?

JC · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

I Should Coco said:

Gio Gonzalez is a name that surprised me. And, apparently, his father:

According to the report, Gonzalezs father, Max, denied the his sons use of banned substances, insisted that his son had no contact with Bosch and that it was him, instead of his son, that consulted with Bosch to lose weight.

My son works very, very hard, and hes as clean as apple pie, Max Gonzalez told the Miami New Times. I went to Tony because I needed to lose weight. A friend recommended him, and he did great work for me. But thats it. He never met my son. Never. And if I knew he was doing these things with steroids, do you think Id be dumb enough to go there?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/29/report-gio-gonzalez-linked-to-miami-clinic-that-supplied-performance-enhancing-drugs/
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Why would any name surprrise you?

Steak Snabler · Jan 29, 2013

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Bob Klapisch tweet:

@BobKlap
Am told there will be more names unearthed during MLB's investigation of Biogenesis, beyond A-Rod, Melky, B. Colon, Nelson Cruz, Gio Gonz.
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https://twitter.com/BobKlap/status/296297816765132800

Dick Whitman · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

Steak Snabler said:

Bob Klapisch tweet:

@BobKlap
Am told there will be more names unearthed during MLB's investigation of Biogenesis, beyond A-Rod, Melky, B. Colon, Nelson Cruz, Gio Gonz.
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https://twitter.com/BobKlap/status/296297816765132800
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For all that is good and holy in this world, please let those other names include Bagwell and Piazza. Pretty please.

Steak Snabler · Jan 29, 2013

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

Dick Whitman said:

Steak Snabler said:

Bob Klapisch tweet:

@BobKlap
Am told there will be more names unearthed during MLB's investigation of Biogenesis, beyond A-Rod, Melky, B. Colon, Nelson Cruz, Gio Gonz.
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https://twitter.com/BobKlap/status/296297816765132800
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For all that is good and holy in this world, please let those other names include Bagwell and Piazza. Pretty please.
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Kinda doubt it. Seems like this only involves guys who are currently active. And neither Bagwell nor Piazza have close ties to south Florida, save for Piazza's 5 games with the Marlins in 1998.

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