Ryan Braun now linked to Miami PED clinic

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

why not just make murder legal? some people are going to do it regardless.

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

Outside The Lines has a source saying the doc would personally go to A-Rod's house to administer the injections.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8904501/operator-miami-clinic-linked-peds-mlb-treated-yankees-alex-rodriguez-directly

Gonna be a fun season for A-Rod, eh?

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

Lucky for him he'll be on the DL for most of it.

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

What TP said.

That being said, if PEDs are not dangerous to one's health, I think it becomes harder and harder to draw these lines. Supporters compare them to Tommy John surgery. But would the better comparison be to, say, a spring-loaded rocket elbow? We intuitively know that would be cheating, right? Is that what PEDs are?

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

A spokesperson for Rodriguez on Friday said "the allegations are not true."

Hah. Are we expected to believe anything coming from A-Roid or his team of paid suck-ups anymore? Ever again? Hah. If the new allegations are true -- and hard not to suspect a guy who will do anything to prop up his name, including trying to slap a ball out of someone's glove in the postseason, etc. -- then A-Roid deserves all the scathing ridicule he will receive from now on.

It's not the PED addiction. It's the fraud.
It's the lies and the denials that he would cheat.

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

Actually, PEDs are dangerous to ones health. The complications and side effects depend upon which form of performance enhancing drug that are used. Blood doping and erythropoetin/darbypoetin can increase the red blood cell count enough to cause blood sludging, stroke and heart attack. Those who use anabolic steroids or their precursors risk cancer, liver failure and behavioral changes among other.

When these medications are used to treat specific diseases, close monitoring occurs, not only for the effect on the disease but also for potential side effects. There is no one size fits all dosing regimen and most often, family doctors, internists and pediatricians yield to subspecialists to manage theses illnesses.

PEDs are dangerous when used with little regard to safety. PEDs are cheating only because the governing bodies of sports say they are. They are unethical because society understands the difference between right and wrong.

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

I'm going to cast aside your comment on ethics because we'll never see eye-to-eye on that. But does it not occur to you that professional athletes and teams could hire performance-enhancing drug specialists and do closer monitoring than anyone else gets on these things? If they were legal, they could be much better regulated.

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

But they either haven't been approved at all or at least not for those purposes. I'm sure DocTalk can do a much better job that I can of explaining this, but doctors accept certain risk when prescribing medication to treat a medical condition. That doesn't mean that risk is acceptable when there is no condition to treat.

Also, think your solution through. You really want to give professional sports leagues more ways to endanger the health of their athletes?

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

Ya, that wouldn't lead to any conflicts of interest.

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic



NFL "medicine" certainly needs an overhaul before it takes up performance enhancement.

www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000133534/article/nflpa-78-percent-of-players-dont-trust-team-doctors

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

Allowing PEDs in the pros, creates an eneven playing field for those competing for a roster spot. A player of the roster gets to juice but a free agent does not? A college senior who graduates but is not drafted is at a distinct disadvantage compared to one who is. When does one not get to use PEDs in the pros...when cut? suspended?

Acquiescieng to PEDs because "everybody" is using them and it will allow safer distribution and monitoring becomes a slippery slope. College players will want that benefit so tha tthey can compete at the next level and that will filter to high school and middle school athletes (as it already has) who want the glory of an NCAA career.

How does acceptance in the NFL translate to other professional sports? Will the pro skier or bike racer, who does not have the structure of a league, be allowed the same latitude to abuse drugs? What about swimmers, gymnasts and other elite athletes under the umbrella of the IOC? Does the US isolate itself from the rest of international sports...or perhaps it should be the leader in demanding competition be fair and equal and success based upon hard work.

 

Re: Miami New Times: A-Rod, Melky, Gio Gonzalez, others linked to PED clinic

First, I'm not talking about the illegal stuff. Many of these things aren't illegal. What's illegal about blood spinning? Short 10-year-olds are shot up with human growth hormone just so they end up taller. Those things are illegal only in the context of sports. You don't need cancer or some other awful disease to be prescribed them.

Second, they're doing it anyway. Open your eyes. Look around the NFL. Why not regulate it to some degree? That would be good, not bad, for the players' health. Many of these drugs lack major negative side effects when used properly. The issues come when players choose their own cocktails and administer them without supervision of a trained doctor.

Third, the uneven playing field ideology is bullshit. It's not a level playing field. Genetics enhance performance more than any medication can. Work ethic enhances performance more than any medication can. Who are we to determine what's right and what's wrong? We're nearing the point where we'll be able to genetically select or even modify fetuses and more or less raise kids to be superstar athletes. Will that create an uneven playing field? Did Lionel Messi's regular use of HGH as a kid create an uneven playing field?