Salon's Kaufman accuses Kindred of 'ignorance'

And when they start putting VORP on the Jumbotron at the park, I'll believe that this stuff is "used by a wide swath of baseball fans."

They put OPS on the jumbotron in Anaheim. Consider it a compromise.

 

But OPS isn't hard to figur OBP+SlgPct = OPS.
Can you do a VORP furmula?

 

Dumbest fucking "debate" of all time.

 

Runs and RBI are way dependent on other members of your team.. Come on, we are still debating this stuff in 2009?

 

Being close-minded is wrong on both sides.

Jon Heyman, for example, mocked the stat folks who said Rice's on-base percentage wasn't Hall worthy, and then admitted he didn't vote for Rice the first five years he was on the ballot. So the writer obviously saw some flaw in Rice's candidacy that was rectified with the passage of time. He changed his mind based on his own subjectivity. Is that better than relying on obscure stats?

It has gotten to the point where both sides of the numbers spectrum dismiss the other and make the entire conversation a waste of time.

 

Honestly, for all the statistical analysis you can do on a player, which whatever methodology you want to use, I think a front office is going to balance that with that they see and know of the player.

I think it's a little short-sighted to say that the Red Sox and Rays had success because they embraced statistical analysis. The Rays still scouted well in order to build what is now a solid team.

It's never going to be one extreme or the other, there's always going to be a mixture of the two.

 

Great post, there can be a balance between the two. Anyone who closes their mind on either side of the argument is ignorant.

 

More likely is lot of writers disliked Rice because he could be a jerk. They might not vote for someone like him the first few times around but intend to vote for him later after he sits awhile.

 

I have no idea who King Kaufman is, but I'll be willing to bet he outweighs Kindred on the ignorance scale.

It's a vote. If there was one formula for determining HOF inclusion, it wouldn't be a vote, it would be a chart with E-Z Stats so everyone could see who made the cut, simple and clean, you're in, you're out. But that's not how it works. It's a vote.

 

Maybe a computer could spit out the HOFers for us each year?