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Salon's Kaufman accuses Kindred of 'ignorance'

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Wendy Parker, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    I'm more interested in reading a paean to Terry Ryan or Pat Gillick than Billy Beane.
     
  2. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    Hey, it worked for Scott Hatteberg, it can work for you, too.
     
  3. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    It's an inefficiency in the market is what it is.
     
  4. I give up.
     
  5. Billy Beane should really win once before he gets credit for transforming the game. Branch Rickey transformed the game. Beane has merely unleashed an plague of locusts carrying calculators.
     
  6. Quote from across the Bay today in Jerry Crasnick's column:

    "I think we did more work than ever with how we scouted people, used video and statistically broke guys down," Sabean said.

    Imagine that, huh? Using all the information available to make decisions. Heresy! Doesn't he care about the poetry of the game? Or that only sabermetric statistics matter? But regardless, that he has to pick one or the other?
     
  7. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    No one ever said you had to pick one of the other, waylon.
    All some of us have said is things like VORP, WARP, DIPS and win shares are contrivances that even most of those who care about them can't calculate on their own.
     
  8. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    LOL :D

    Actually, I really shouldn't laugh, considering one of Beane's acolytes is pushing further and further into the time ether the memories Blue Jays fans have of the '92 and '93 World Series.
     
  9. Seriously, if you reinvent the study of the game, and that reinvention doesn't bring your team some measure of the ultimate success - like, say, MAKING a World Series -- isn't it logical to wonder about the efficacy of the method?
    And, I'm sorry, but VORP fails as mathematics worse than it fails as anything else.
     
  10. Mighty_Wingman

    Mighty_Wingman Active Member

    And Billy Beane has what, exactly, to do with VORP?
     
  11. DIPS absolutely works. It's not a contrivance. It works.
     
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