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Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Inky_Wretch, Dec 2, 2015.

  1. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    If by bastardized, you mean the literal interpretation supported significantly by religious text, then yes, it's bastardized.
     
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  2. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

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  3. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    I just want to start my own personal relationship with Mohammad.
     
  4. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    No, jihad does not mean what you and YF think it means. Nor what the terrorists think it means.

    Jihad: A Misunderstood Concept from Islam
    What Does "Jihad" Really Mean to Muslims?

    As posted previously on this board (if not this very thread), the leading Islamic scholars have condemned ISIS and other terrorists as not following the Koran's teachings.

    Letter to Baghdadi - Open Letter to Baghdadi
    Muslim Scholars To Islamic State: You Don't Understand Islam
     
  5. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  6. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Yeah, we go to Yom Kippur services, say we won't do it again, go home, have some wine and rinse and repeat as necessary.
     
  7. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    Do I need to start directly citing the Qur'an for like the 20th time on this site?
     
  8. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Find those racist posts of mine yet? It's been more than two months.
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    People freaked out in regards to Trump's "plan".

    "We can't have a religious test!"

    "What are you going to do, ask them their religion at the airport?"

    But, don't we in fact already have this? If you support radical Islam, we won't let you in, right? But, the question is, are we capable of defining radical Islam, and are we able to detect a "radicalized" Muslim if they don't offer up this information themselves.

    We'd all agree that we should admit "moderate" Muslims, right? But, again, what's a moderate Muslim? Is that someone who only thinks using a suicide bomb is sometimes acceptable?

    Are you a moderate if you believe a woman should wear a burqa and shouldn't be allowed to work outside the home?

    What if you won't bake a cake for a gay wedding? Moderate?

    Now, what about a "strict" or "very religious" Muslim? Can you be both strict/very religious and moderate at the same time?

    Can you be a Wahhabi and still be a moderate?

    What about the mail order Jihadi wife. We know now that she was a radical Muslim. But, even if we didn't know that, we did (or at least should have known) that she was a strict Muslim.

    Is that OK? She was vetted twice. Once for a visa, and again for her green card. If we determined she was no moderate, should she have been allowed to come/stay?
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    The foremost Islamic scholar in the Middle East is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Guess what he says about Jihad.

    Since Wahhabism is the state sponsored and official form of Islam in Saudi Arabia, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that some majority of Islamic Scholars believe your definition of Jihad.

    The definition you mention is out there, but at best, it's one of two definitions.

    Here's a little recap of how Wahhabism looks at Jihad, and before you reject the source, please know that I could pick from hundreds of articles that would say the same thing:

    Wahhabism continues to condemn all other Muslims. It cites the Quran’s description of war made against unbelievers in the first centuries of Islam to justify, indeed to demand, unceasing war to the death against other less observant Muslims and especially against non-Muslim unbelievers. This war against the “infidels” is the jihad, a moral obligation of every true Muslim. The Wahhabis, however, insist on an understanding of jihad that other Muslims have long since left behind. For the great majority of “the faithful,” jihad has long been divided into the “Greater Jihad” and the “Lesser Jihad.” The lesser jihad is the jihad of war, death and blood. The greater jihad is the inner struggle of every pious Muslim to bring himself closer to God through self-denial, charity and a moral life. This was not, and is not, the Wahhabi way. For them, the unbeliever, including non-Wahhabi Muslims, must accept their view of orthodox religious practice or suffer the consequences.

    Wahhabism and Jihad
     
  11. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Wahabism has long been considered a radical and extreme version of Islam. Unfortunately, our oil buddies, the Saudis, have been funding Wahabi madrasas for years. They have manufactured thousands of Wahabis.

    Funny how the various presidents and vice presidents who do a lot of business there never put pressure on to stop it.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Yes. It is radical and extreme. And, it's the religion of Saudi Arabia. It's funded the Pakistani madrassas, and the the kind of places where the Jihadi wife studied Islam in Pakistan (where she memorized the Koran, something her husband had also done.)

    So, if you're a follower of Wahhabism, should we let you come to America?
     
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