San Bernardino

Coffee machine business must be slow if you have this much free time.

 

YF, what do you do in the real world to save America from evil media and jihadists?

15 hours a day on anonymous message boards ain't gonna get the job done, is it?

It just means, if I may borrow a quote: "You are completely fucking unhinged."

 

It was a Muslim immigrant, who gamed our visa program.

Close enough, and a lot closer to the initial thought that it was "three white gunmen."

And since Syrian refugees were only brought up in response to those reports, and to mock those concerned with radical Islamic terrorism, the comment itself deserves mockery.

 

It is a Sunday, but actually, I'm prepping a couple of espresso machines right now that I need to install tomorrow.

 

Can you point me to an American prosecutor who believes this?

Mormons don't drink coffee, observant Mormons still serve coffee to their guests.

Are they still observant Mormons?

 

I said it's not necessarily relevant.

Some religious people who are already here believe The Homo should be punishable by death. So should people who have abortions.

Some people here already would still enslave and/or lynch black people if they could.

But they don't.

 

You've either completely missed the point, or are playing dumb. i'm not sure which.

Who ever said an American prosecutor believed this?

As I already replied to MC, this isn't about a radical Muslim trying to use American law to impose their beliefs. This is about defining, and identifying radical Muslims, because radical Muslims present a threat.

(I thought we had broad consensus that radical Muslims were a concern.)

And so, If a Muslim, regardless of his occupation, or position in life, believes that the penalty for apostasy should be death, shouldn't we consider him/her to be radical, and thus a potential threat for radicalization, unworthy to be able to immigrate to America?

So dumb, it really doesn't deserve a response. Is their some current terror threat from radical Mormons? Are Radical Mormons killing those who would serve coffee to their guests because they believe them to be apostates?

Was there any point at all to this hypothetical?

 

And, if we believe them to be a threat, we should probably put them on a list and/or keep an eye on them.

If we believe they are at risk for becoming radicalized, to the point of murdering innocent people, due to these beliefs, and they are looking to immigrate here, we should deny them that privilege.

If you want to make this about something other than Islam, fine. Let's make it about pure radical belief, that is a concern for potential radicalization.

So, if an overseas Mormon doesn't drink coffee, and you and Jay think that's a radical position, that opens him up to potential radicalization, that could lead him to murder coffee drinking Mormons, let's keep him out too.

 

I really don't know what you are arguing for or against.

Besides the usual all media bad, unless they say something I agree with argument that has become a staple of those on the right.

One of the ripples from this information age is that readers and viewers have become consumers and if they don't like what they get, they shop around to find something they do like.

So if they don't like the news as presented, they go to a different news source. This has always been true. You could always read the other paper in town or turn the channel from NBC to CBS but they were still, essentially, presenting the same thing.

Now, watching 30 minutes of Fox News and 3o minutes of CNN and 30 minutes of MSNBC might as well be watching NHK and Al Jazerra.

What it does is create a person who thinks they are knowledgeable on a subject while it is really an inch deep and a mile wide of one specific area and ignores everything else.

If someone has ill intentions and are willing to give their life to carry those out, there's simply no way to stop it.

There's also no way of accurately determining what causes a person to decide to carry out those ill intentions.

Carrying on about Sharia Law is just another way demonizing your enemy in the hopes that someone else will carry out ill intentions against them.

 

I thought we were in broad agreement here that radical Islam -- as opposed to regular, old moderate Islam -- was threat, and that people who believed in a radical interpretation of Islam were at greater risk of committing acts of violence in the name of Islam.

But, no one here wants to define what a radical is.

Would nothing short of a declaration of an intent to commit violent Jihad concern you?

It seems that people are now dismissing the idea that holding radical views means someone is radical. What else could it mean?

If you believe that the State of Israel has no right to exist, or that death is the proper punishment for apostasy, or that a woman needs four male witnesses to prove a charge of rape, what does it matter if our court system does not agree?

It's the beliefs that make the person a radical, not their means to implement them.

The very fact that our laws do prevent their twisted views from being enacted are part of what drives them to acts of terror.

So, please someone tell me if you think we should prevent radical Muslim from visiting/immigrating here. And, if you do believe this, then you have to hold some position on what defines a radical Muslim. Please share this with me, and tell me what steps you would take to differentiate a radical Muslim from a moderate one.

 

Well, for one, I'm not entirely sure that a truly radical Muslim has any intention of moving here.

And by truly radical Muslim, someone who is willing and able to die to advance their cause, as part of their faith.

All faiths, if talking about the strictest adherents, have beliefs that don't mesh with mainstream society.

There's really no way of telling if the Baptist kid grows up to be a preacher or the guy who blows up the abortion clinic.

Muslim kids, and Muslim is a really broad brush for a religion that has as many variations and practices, they can be doctors or lawyers or the guy who shoots up the government office.

My own personal experience has been that people who were raised in a faith, then fall away as they grow older, then go back to the faith as the answer to a personal crisis, they're the ones who are the most devout. This is also true of recent converts.

Based on the reporting so far, the shooter sounded like the kind Muslim, who, if a Jew, would enjoy a bacon cheeseburger from time to time but then adrift and searching. Probably because he was hunting for a wife. He fell back into his faith with a passion. That passion led him to a more a literal interpretation of the Qu'ran and he shopped around to find an imam/ other worshippers who had beliefs that matched his own. This led to a pilgrimage to Mecca and a wife and they become more devout and more willing to advance their personal beliefs.

 

Glad someone rounded up all the hypocrisy of the usual suspects early in this thread. TSP's was a nice touch. Making a joke at the expense of his political opponents, then disappearing once the narrative didn't suit him.

Liberals don't care about victims of any massacre that calls into question their purposefully ignorant worldview.