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SB Nation pulls Daniel Holtzclaw longform piece

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Steak Snabler, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Amazing that four editors signed off on that. Genuinely interested to know if any of them were ever newspaper editors or if they're all Internet-era editors. I know Stout has been series editor of BASW for years, but I don't see anywhere that he ever worked as a daily journalist or daily editor. I think it matters, I think being in a newsroom -- and not siloed working from home, or way up in backcountry Vermont -- exposes you to a lot in the way editorial decisions are made. Even if you're not personally working on a story, you overhear conversations about other stories and what is expected or demanded in the way of a well-rounded piece.
     
  2. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Stout really took pictures of his BASW reject pile next to fireplace? That's some high-level dickheadedness. I'm really glad I stopped caring about that book several years ago.
     
  3. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

  4. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    This doesn't undo any of the damage he did, but at least he's taking some accountability for it.

    Still waiting for Glenn Stout to say something, anything, a thing.
     
  5. BurnsWhenIPee

    BurnsWhenIPee Well-Known Member

    Taking SOME accountability. He's awful quick to point out that four editors signed off on it.
     
  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    As well he should. At every step, not enough people said "hey, this piece is really screwed up."

    Jeff Arnold does not own SBNation. He didn't self-publish it. if he had, nobody'd blink an eye, because nobody expects Jeff Arnold, on his own, to get it right. But you put it under this big longform awning, and suddenly his errors are magnified into the stratosphere.

    Unless we require some of bad-boy, Tommy Craggs-style "we need to eat shit" kind of apology, that's clearly an apology. It doesn't need to be appropriately muscular and searching.
     
  7. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    He's been thrown under the bus for five days. Can't really blame the guy for passive-aggressively pushing back.

    He never should have been in the position to write that story. His editors failed him. Impossible for even him to argue otherwise.
     
  8. +1
    I'd like to know their definition of "editor."


    And If I wrote something that was being universally trashed, you'd bet I'd trot out the fact four editors signed off on it.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    He handled that as well as anyone could. He wrote a bad story. Not in a malicious way, but in a swing and miss way. He also got piled on in a way that became public, by people who share even more blame for it running than he does. I hope he can move on without too much damage to his career.
     
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  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Assuming the truth of four editors signing off -- which rings true, given Stout's note promoting the then-published piece -- Arnold is in the clear.

    I haven't looked in great detail, but his bio noted that he wrote for many publications (including the NYT) and he apparently has always done solid work on smaller stuff. There's no reason not to continue hiring him for that.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This.

    What pisses me off is that few people knew who Jeff Arnold was. The name at the top of the site is sbnation.com. Lots of people know who they are. The owners of that site should have been apologizing up and down broadway for running that story, and no matter WHAT Arnold's role, as far as they were concerned, the buck should have stopped with "sbnation.com." I'd feel the same way if it was written by someone who was drawing a steady paycheck from them. ... but it's particularly a chicken shit move to hire someone on a work-for-hire basis (presumably because it is cheaper), and not make it about the fact that YOU ran the story. Even an internal memo (which inevitably became public), making it about the freelancer in any way, and not the internal breakdown that led to that story going up on the site, screams "poor leadership." I got viscerally angry when someone posted that on here.
     
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  12. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    Yes. Good for Jeff. He wrote a shitty story. Not the first or last. The editors failed.
     
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