Sean Taylor - RIP UPDATED

Write-brained · Nov 26, 2007

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Piotr Rasputin said:

The oral sex blast had as much place in this thread as a point about how this is looked at differently because he's black.

Read the thread; it's flowing along, people trying to track down news and posting informed speculation about what the prognosis is of such a wound . . . then someone hops in to try to make a point out of nowhere. And ironically, just as it is said that a dude like Taylor might always have his past hanging over him, Cowbell shows that Jemele Hill will in some circles always be thought of as someone who might have revaled a little too much on her blog.

Look, let's just deal wih what is known. Sean Taylor is a hell of a football player. Sean taylor has been shot. The bullet hit a key artery. He has been close to death, and would, even if he lives, face a lot of future hardship that may include losing a leg, and will likely not include playing professional football.
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And the Redskins are fucked ...

Flying Headbutt · Nov 26, 2007

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I can't believe that on a board of supposed professionals, this thread would move in so many different obscene directions. Professionals, huh?

Pancamo · Nov 26, 2007

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Was the knife on the bed from the previous burglary a statement? We can get you when we want?

The Herald story said the safe was burglarized and as was the A/C vent. Someone knew something or saw an early showing of No Country for Old Men.

Bubbler · Nov 26, 2007

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Jemele Hill said:

I didn't say it was relevant or even insensitive to bring up his past. Given that he has pulled a gun on someone else, I'm sure the police are working with the theory that it may be retaliatory. Still doesn't mean that he should get the well-he-had-it-coming treatment.

I want to say that suspects were arrested in the Walker and Curry home invasions because it looks as if they were done by the same group.

This may not be racially politically correct to say, but it's my opinion that black athletes are targeted more because a) while they try to patronize "normal" venues, it also leaves them vulnerable to a jealous and envious element. If they go to a club, even one that supposedly attracts the right crowd, they run the risk of some guy getting jealous because that particular athlete is getting all the attention, be it from the staff or the women.

Also, it can't be ignored that 90 percent of black homicides are done by another black person. This is not to say that white people are never victimized by black people. Obviously, that happens. But there is this "fear" -- or whatever word works better -- about committing crimes against white people. Most black people believe the crimes and penalties will be stiffer if you do criminalize a white person, therefore making black people with money even bigger targets. I hope that makes sense, even though I realize I may not be articulating myself correctly.

Nevertheless, because of the constant barrage of images of black people as perpetrators, it just seems when we're the victims, there is a lack of sympathy. Again, Taylor's past is relevant, but because of it, even if this story pans out as him as a victim, I still sense some people won't be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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That all makes sense to me. Good points Jemele.

poindexter · Nov 26, 2007

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Jemele Hill said:

I didn't say it was relevant or even insensitive to bring up his past. Given that he has pulled a gun on someone else, I'm sure the police are working with the theory that it may be retaliatory. Still doesn't mean that he should get the well-he-had-it-coming treatment.

I want to say that suspects were arrested in the Walker and Curry home invasions because it looks as if they were done by the same group.

This may not be racially politically correct to say, but it's my opinion that black athletes are targeted more because a) while they try to patronize "normal" venues, it also leaves them vulnerable to a jealous and envious element. If they go to a club, even one that supposedly attracts the right crowd, they run the risk of some guy getting jealous because that particular athlete is getting all the attention, be it from the staff or the women.

Also, it can't be ignored that 90 percent of black homicides are done by another black person. This is not to say that white people are never victimized by black people. Obviously, that happens. But there is this "fear" -- or whatever word works better -- about committing crimes against white people. Most black people believe the crimes and penalties will be stiffer if you do criminalize a white person, therefore making black people with money even bigger targets. I hope that makes sense, even though I realize I may not be articulating myself correctly.

Nevertheless, because of the constant barrage of images of black people as perpetrators, it just seems when we're the victims, there is a lack of sympathy. Again, Taylor's past is relevant, but because of it, even if this story pans out as him as a victim, I still sense some people won't be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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How many writers does ESPN employ who spurt out this same crap, regardless of the day? They're like Rudy Giuliani and 9-11. It's impossible to separate their identity from this issue.

We get it. It's the Man's fault.

Bubbler · Nov 26, 2007

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Flying Headbutt said:

I can't believe that on a board of supposed professionals, this thread would move in so many different obscene directions. Professionals, huh?
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Not trying to start shit, Headbutt, but how is this different from any other thread on this board ever?

Flying Headbutt · Nov 26, 2007

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I'd just figure the shit slinging would be saved for discussions of one team vs. another, not some thread about a guy hanging on to his life.

Bubbler · Nov 26, 2007

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Flying Headbutt said:

I'd just figure the shit slinging would be saved for discussions of one team vs. another, not some thread about a guy hanging on to his life.
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Understood.

I guess I just understand the issues Jemele raises, but don't understand the out-of-whack backlash against it. I'll leave it at that so as not to invite more acrimony.

cougargirl · Nov 26, 2007

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markvid said:

Uh, they played Sunday, and sometimes, since they are off on Mondays, players go elsewhere Sunday night and Monday?
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Hey, Tom and Gisele were spotted in South Beach on a Monday, if I'm not mistaken.

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I'm chiming in late here, but why do I think there's more to this Sean Taylor situation than just a little random B&E?

Bubbler · Nov 26, 2007

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cougargirl said:

I'm chiming in late here, but why do I think there's more to this Sean Taylor situation than just a little random B&E?
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That wasn't supposed to make me laugh, but it did.

cougargirl · Nov 26, 2007

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Bubbler said:

cougargirl said:

I'm chiming in late here, but why do I think there's more to this Sean Taylor situation than just a little random B&E?
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That wasn't supposed to make me laugh, but it did.
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Well, I'm glad you're entertained, Bubbler. Do you know any cure for jet lag?

Bubbler · Nov 26, 2007

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cougargirl said:

Bubbler said:

cougargirl said:

I'm chiming in late here, but why do I think there's more to this Sean Taylor situation than just a little random B&E?
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That wasn't supposed to make me laugh, but it did.
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Well, I'm glad you're entertained, Bubbler. Do you know any cure for jet lag?
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Turn your clock back?

To clue you in, a good percentage of the rest of the thread is debating the very point you bring up. It's just funny it came up again so innocently.

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