Selection Sunday thread

thebiglead · Mar 11, 2007

Bubbler said:

Arkansas in is flat-out ridiculous, so is Drexel being out.

All the national pundits are peeing their collective pants over Sycacuse not making with a 10-6 Big East record, blah, blah, blah. Here's Syracuse's Big East wins (including its one Big East tourney victory over UConn) with NCAA tourney teams bolded.

Wins: at Marquette, at Rutgers, Villanova, Cincinnati, DePaul, St. John's, at South Florida, Connecticut, at Providence, Georgetown, Connecticut.

Not impressive, not one little bit, especially when the only nonconference win worth half a shred of a damn is Holy Cross.

That unbalanced Big East schedule is a bitch isn't it?

The committee got that omission right. Sorry farmerjerome, et al.
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Bubbler, that's something of a compelling argument ... until you look at Xavier's wins in conference:

Massachusetts. That's it. Quality wins since a Dec. 29 home win over Illinois: Zero. Haven't beaten a top 70 RPI team since the 'Nam.

Drexel was willing to go on the road and pickup non-conf wins ... Xavier went on the road and lost to Cincinnati and St. Louis.

Piotr Rasputin · Mar 11, 2007

dooley_womack1 said:

Illinois and Indiana being in is ridiculous. Davidson could pull off the upset.
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Indiana belongs, barely, based on entire season resume. Illinois, not so much.

TheSportsPredictor · Mar 11, 2007

Your opening odds:

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 Game/2ndH 1stH 1stQ 2ndQ 3rdQ 4thQ
# Team Name Spread Total MoneyLn T1 Total T2 Total
7:00 pm (ESPN) NCAA Tournament @ Dayton Arena - Dayton, OH
769 Florida A & M +340
770 Niagara -9 152 -440

Thursday, March 15, 2007 Game/2ndH 1stH 1stQ 2ndQ 3rdQ 4thQ
# Team Name Spread Total MoneyLn T1 Total T2 Total
8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ HSBC Arena - Buffalo, NY
807 Old Dominion -115 +110
808 Butler -2 -105 -130

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ HSBC Arena - Buffalo, NY
809 Davidson +280
810 Maryland -7Â½ -340

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ HSBC Arena - Buffalo, NY
811 VA Commonwealth +260
812 Duke -7 -320

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ HSBC Arena - Buffalo, NY
813 Wright State +500
814 Pittsburgh -10 -700

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Lawrence Joel Coliseum - Winston Salem, NC
815 Eastern Kentucky
816 North Carolina -26

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Lawrence Joel Coliseum - Winston Salem, NC
817 Michigan State -1 -115
818 Marquette -105

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Lawrence Joel Coliseum - Winston Salem, NC
819 Texas Tech +120
820 Boston College -2Â½ -140

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Lawrence Joel Coliseum - Winston Salem, NC
821 Belmont
822 George Town -16

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Rupp Arena - Lexington, KY
823 Central Connecticut
824 Ohio State -22

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Rupp Arena - Lexington, KY
825 Xavier -1Â½ -130
826 BYU +110

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Rupp Arena - Lexington, KY
827 Stanford +220
828 Louisville -5Â½ -260

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Rupp Arena - Lexington, KY
829 Pennsylvania +700
830 Texas A&M -13Â½ -1000

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Arco Arena - Sacramento, CA
831 Gonzaga +110
832 Indiana U -1Â½ -130

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Arco Arena - Sacramento, CA
833 Weber State
834 UCLA -20

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Arco Arena - Sacramento, CA
835 George Washington +145
836 Vanderbilt -3Â½ -165

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Arco Arena - Sacramento, CA
837 Oral Roberts +240
838 Washington State -6Â½ -280

Friday, March 16, 2007 Game/2ndH 1stH 1stQ 2ndQ 3rdQ 4thQ
# Team Name Spread Total MoneyLn T1 Total T2 Total
8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Nationwide Arena - Columbus, OH
619 Illinois +115
620 Virgina Tech -2Â½ -135

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Nationwide Arena - Columbus, OH
621 Holy Cross +270
622 Souhern Illinois -7Â½ -330

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Nationwide Arena - Columbus, OH
623 Long Beach State +300
624 Tennessee -7Â½ -360

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Nationwide Arena - Columbus, OH
625 Albany NY +280
626 Virginia -7Â½ -340

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ United Center - Chicago, IL
627 Georgia Tech -1Â½ -130
628 UNLV +110

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ United Center - Chicago, IL
629 Texas A&M Corpus +700
630 Wisconsin -13Â½ -1000

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ United Center - Chicago, IL
633 Villanova -115 -110
634 Kentucky -1 -105 -110

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ New Orleans Arena - New Orleans, LA
635 Jackson State
636 Florida -28Â½

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ New Orleans Arena - New Orleans, LA
637 Purdue +120
638 Arizona -2 -140

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ New Orleans Arena - New Orleans, LA
639 Creighton -103
640 Nevada -1 -117

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ New Orleans Arena - New Orleans, LA
641 North Texas
642 Memphis U -18

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Spokane Arena - Spokane, WA
643 Winthrop +170
644 Notre Dame -4 -200

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Spokane Arena - Spokane, WA
645 Miami Ohio +340
646 Oregon -9 -440

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Spokane Arena - Spokane, WA
647 Arkansas +105
648 Southern Cal -1Â½ -125

8:00 am (CBS) NCAA Tournament opening round @ Spokane Arena - Spokane, WA
649 New Mexico State +340
650 Texas -9Â½ -440

TheSportsPredictor · Mar 11, 2007

Oregon should kill Miami, OH. Ducks won't get trapped in that slowdown game the RedHawks play. Southern Cal basically has to win over Arkansas to cover, and everyone's talking down the Razorbacks. Wisconsin by just 13.5 over that clown team? Makes me think the clown team will cover. Georgia Tech favored over UNLV -- when worse seed is favored, pay attention. VCU +7 over Duke will be a favorite of many. Ohio State giving just 22, very low for a No. 1 seed.

Mystery_Meat · Mar 11, 2007

Gut reaction: Vegas to beat, Vandy to cover, Albany to beat, Louisville to cover

Flying Headbutt · Mar 11, 2007

The Islanders are good, but I doubt good enough to beat Wiscy. I have Tech perhaps to the sweet 16 in that bracket, so I definitely expect them to beat UNLV. Dook will not lose to VCU, no way.

TheSportsPredictor · Mar 11, 2007

And your NIT bracket:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nit/sports/m-nit/auto_pdf/2007-Bracket.pdf

crimsonace · Mar 11, 2007

Bullrog said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

Please tell me the committee "accidentally" threw Izzo and Crean together in Round One and then, if Marquette somehow wins, "accidentally" set up them and UNC in the rematch of the championship game 30 years ago. Which was in Atlanta, by the way.
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Same way the committee "accidentally" set up a Georgia State-Maryland matchup in the second round of '01.
Driesell vs. Maryland in his last big hoorah.
There's no way anyone will ever convince me that the committee didn't do this on purpose.
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I'm surprised, given the committee's history of putting together interesting matchups when possible (of course, "accidentally") that 7th-seeded Indiana isn't playing 10th-seeded Texas Tech in the opening round.

Of course, the committee meeting in Indy might just quite figure out that a Hoosier State Civil War would break out should such an event take place. Watching so-called "Indiana fans" root against IU because they're still lap dogs for a certain former coach and refuse to get over an event that happened 7 years ago would have been hilarious (especially if IU won), but it would've caused riots in some sections of south-central Indiana, too.

BitterYoungMatador2 · Mar 11, 2007

Bubbler said:

farmerjerome said:

Bubbler said:

Arkansas in is flat-out ridiculous, so is Drexel being out.

All the national pundits are peeing their collective pants over Sycacuse not making with a 10-6 Big East record, blah, blah, blah. Here's Syracuse's Big East wins (including its one Big East tourney victory over UConn) with NCAA tourney teams bolded.

Wins: at Marquette, at Rutgers, Villanova, Cincinnati, DePaul, St. John's, at South Florida, Connecticut, at Providence, Georgetown, Connecticut.

Not impressive, not one little bit, especially when the only nonconference win worth half a shred of a damn is Holy Cross.

That unbalanced Big East schedule is a bitch isn't it?

The committee got that omission right. Sorry farmerjerome, et al.
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Yeah, wins at Marquette and against Georgetown and 10 wins in one of the toughest conferences in the country isn't anything. You're right, Syracuse sucked.

Look at Duke. Lost to Marquette, beat Georgetown. Two wins against Boston college to not cancel out two loss to NC.
I believe that the Blue Devils had 10 losses, virtually identical to the Orange. And they're a six seed.

At least Syracuse made it past the first round of its tournament.
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FJ, you're my gal and all, but you're going pure fanboy route here.

You're pointing out a paucity of good: wins over Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova versus ignoring a whole lot of mediocre, i.e., all of Syracuse's other Big East wins and its non-descript nonconference schedule. I know you're a Syracuse fan, but if you separate yourself from that, I think you can see my point.

It's a similar argument Valley fans in my neck of the woods made about Missouri State. They beat Wisconsin! They beat Wisconsin! Ignoring the fact that they lost in every other game of consequence they played.

The Big East was the sixth-best conference in the RPI (realtimerpi has them there). Why? Because it's too big for its own good. Just because a team goes 10-6 doesn't mean it's a legit 10-6. The bottom six of the Big East -- all of the teams below 100 in the RPI -- are absolute shit. Seven of Sycacuse's 10 wins were against the bottom eight of the league in a 16-team conference. That's nothing to write home about.

Syracuse is a function of a friendly schedule creating an overinflated resume. The truth of the matter is that the committee called them (or more accurately, the Big East itself) on it and Syracuse was justifiably left out.

That Big East unbalanced schedule screws up everything when it comes to fairly assessing teams. So blame that, not me or the committee.

The numbers don't add up to Sycacuse getting screwed. Of course Digger Phelps, et al, will think they did because Jim Boeheim was at their roast or something.
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in about fouryears I think you'll see the Big East football schools break away from the rest of the conference for this very reason.

crimsonace · Mar 11, 2007

TheSportsPredictor said:

And your NIT bracket:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nit/sports/m-nit/auto_pdf/2007-Bracket.pdf
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Maybe I'm missing something, but when did the NIT cut back to 32 teams?

Wasn't it a 40-to-44-team tourney for the last several years?

Big Buckin' agate_monkey · Mar 11, 2007

TheSportsPredictor said:

And your NIT bracket:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nit/sports/m-nit/auto_pdf/2007-Bracket.pdf
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GO BRADLEY!

slappy4428 · Mar 11, 2007

Did I miss Akron in the NIT? What happened to that POS Dambrot that Toledo is in, but not the Zipper heads?

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